[Commons-l] Getting rid of "best before"

Wed Nov 15 21:10:04 UTC 2006

Hi Magnus,

  First let me say that I'm a big fan of the Bad Old Ones toy, and an
everyday user of it.

  My concern about the automated deletion of "bad old ones" is that
sometimes I find that the nsd/nld templates were not well added to the
image; i.e. there are no reasons to use that templates, the image can be
saved with a simple edit completing the missing info, or the uploader has
not been notified.

  I wonder if an automated deletion based just on the existence of a
template that anyone can add will delete valid pictures. Of course,
deletions can be undone, but the error has to be detected, and will be
difficult to know where was the image used at the time of deletion.

  I think that the "burden of proof" on source and license is on the
uploader, so it is valid pushing him to specify without ambiguity that data.
But deleting images without at least a simple human review could not be
convenient. Perhaps we can find an intermediate solution: reviewing with Bad
Old Ones and when clicking "delete" on that tool having a bot delinking the
image also.

Barcex

2006/11/15, Magnus Manske <magnusmanske at googlemail.com>:
>
> When I just read about admins getting scolded for deleting an image
> that was long past its "due date", I thought about the nature of the
> templates and the message they convey.
>
> Currently, they say something like "this image needs more source info"
> etc., and give the date the template was added. If nothing changes,
> the image *may* be deleted after, what, a month? This would be the
> equivalent of "best before" - in reality, it might last a lot longer
> than that.
>
> What if the attitude of the templates were changed? "This image lacks
> this and that. It will be deleted on XXXX-YY-ZZ unless this
> information is provided." My tool [2] can be used to find images that
> have reached their final use-by date, and could be deleted with good
> reason.
>
> Theoretically, one could write a bot which could do the deletions, so
> no admins get scolded. The idea of a deletion-bot with admin rights (a
> virtual equivalent of [2];-) might sound scary, but setting it for "no
> edits for a month since addition of the template", combined with the
> image resurrection capability, should calm this.
>
> Magnus
>
>
> [1] http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/bad_old_ones.php
> [2]
> http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/samsung_develops_machine_gun_sentry_robot_costs_200k.php
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