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Daniel Zahn

31 May 2018 31 May '18

9:33 a.m.

Hi, this is an announcement to let you know that the service ($lang). planet.wikimedia.org, an RSS feed aggregator for all Wikimedia related blogs, has switched software. You can find the English version at https://en.planet.wikimedia.org/ Other existing languages are listed on https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet.wikimedia.org#Which_languages_ex… ? Today we moved away from planet-venus and to a newer package called "rawdog" that does the same thing as before, fetching a bunch of RSS feed and combining them into a single page and feed. The reason is that planet-venus has been dropped in Debian stable (stretch) because it was unmaintained, so we had to find an alternative to be able to upgrade the underlying servers to a current OS version. If you never heard of planet, here you can find more info: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet.wikimedia.org If you already use it but just subscribe to the "feed of feeds" then nothing should change for you. (Though note that we support RSS 2.0 but not a separate Atom feed anymore. We are redirecting the old atom.xml URL to the new (and old) URL rss20.xml.) If you already use it and look at the web UI, enjoy the new theme that Paladox imported from KDE to make it look about 150% better than before. (thanks to him for that theming work!) We also applied patches to make it look more like our former planet for a smooth transition. A "wmf1" package has been built and uploaded at https://apt.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pool/main/r/rawdog/ If you want to know more about "rawdog": https://offog.org/code/rawdog/ https://packages.debian.org/stretch/rawdog If you want to add your blog feed, feel free to upload changes or just drop me a mail. Bugs can be reported here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/413/ Tickets are: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180498 , https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168490 Cheers, Daniel -- Daniel Zahn <dzahn(a)wikimedia.org> Operations Engineer

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Brion Vibber

31 May 31 May

9:57 a.m.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 6:34 PM Daniel Zahn <dzahn(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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this is an announcement to let you know that the service ($lang). planet.wikimedia.org, an RSS feed aggregator for all Wikimedia related blogs, has switched software.

Thanks for the maintenance!

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Today we moved away from planet-venus and to a newer package called "rawdog" that does the same thing as before, fetching a bunch of RSS feed and combining them into a single page and feed.

... Well, that's a bit of an unfortunate name. o_O -- brion

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The reason is that planet-venus has been dropped in Debian stable (stretch) because it was unmaintained, so we had to find an alternative to be able to upgrade the underlying servers to a current OS version. If you never heard of planet, here you can find more info: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet.wikimedia.org If you already use it but just subscribe to the "feed of feeds" then nothing should change for you. (Though note that we support RSS 2.0 but not a separate Atom feed anymore. We are redirecting the old atom.xml URL to the new (and old) URL rss20.xml.) If you already use it and look at the web UI, enjoy the new theme that Paladox imported from KDE to make it look about 150% better than before. (thanks to him for that theming work!) We also applied patches to make it look more like our former planet for a smooth transition. A "wmf1" package has been built and uploaded at https://apt.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pool/main/r/rawdog/ If you want to know more about "rawdog": https://offog.org/code/rawdog/ https://packages.debian.org/stretch/rawdog If you want to add your blog feed, feel free to upload changes or just drop me a mail. Bugs can be reported here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/413/ Tickets are: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180498 , https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168490 Cheers, Daniel -- Daniel Zahn <dzahn(a)wikimedia.org> Operations Engineer _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Daniel Zahn

10:21 a.m.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 6:57 PM, Brion Vibber <bvibber(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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... Well, that's a bit of an unfortunate name. o_O

:p "rawdog is an RSS Aggregator Without Delusions Of Grandeur" -- Daniel Zahn <dzahn(a)wikimedia.org> Operations Engineer

Brion Vibber

12:58 p.m.

On Wed, May 30, 2018, 7:22 PM Daniel Zahn <dzahn(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 6:57 PM, Brion Vibber <bvibber(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

... Well, that's a bit of an unfortunate name. o_O

:p "rawdog is an RSS Aggregator Without Delusions Of Grandeur"

Perhaps. I would probably recommend googling software names for common alternate meanings before choosing to put them in a public-facing role, though. -- brion

Daniel Zahn

1 Jun 1 Jun

12:10 a.m.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 9:58 PM, Brion Vibber <bvibber(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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I would probably recommend googling software names for common

alternate meanings

Fair enough. yea, i wasn't really aware / noticed this. Though i think we might have a Barbara-Streisand-effect and now everybody looked it up.

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before choosing to put them in a public-facing role,

The end-user isn't really exposed to it besides a small "powered by" link at the bottom. Also not the name of the puppet module, just a package name in Debian. Not like we are running rawdog.wikimedia or anything. On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 2:08 AM, David Cuenca Tudela <dacuetu(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I like the new design

:) It's from Planet KDE and customized. Paladox did that. Files are here: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/435327/

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missing some information about the source of each post.

Please see the screenshot Paladox just sent. Is that what you meant?

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could the Planet be linked from the Wikimedia blog

Sure, i'm all for that. As Andre pointed out this would be something for people maintaining the blog though. That is hosted outside our infrastructure and i don't personally have access to that. -- Daniel Zahn <dzahn(a)wikimedia.org> Operations Engineer

David Cuenca Tudela

31 May 31 May

5:08 p.m.

Hi Daniel, I like the new design, however I am missing some information about the source of each post. Would it be possible to add the source website to each post? And another more general question I have is, could the Planet be linked from the Wikimedia blog? I feel that it is quite hidden now, so by linking it from the blog maybe it would gain visibility. Regards, Micru On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 3:33 AM, Daniel Zahn <dzahn(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Hi, this is an announcement to let you know that the service ($lang). planet.wikimedia.org, an RSS feed aggregator for all Wikimedia related blogs, has switched software. You can find the English version at https://en.planet.wikimedia.org/ Other existing languages are listed on https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet.wikimedia.org# Which_languages_exist ? Today we moved away from planet-venus and to a newer package called "rawdog" that does the same thing as before, fetching a bunch of RSS feed and combining them into a single page and feed. The reason is that planet-venus has been dropped in Debian stable (stretch) because it was unmaintained, so we had to find an alternative to be able to upgrade the underlying servers to a current OS version. If you never heard of planet, here you can find more info: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet.wikimedia.org If you already use it but just subscribe to the "feed of feeds" then nothing should change for you. (Though note that we support RSS 2.0 but not a separate Atom feed anymore. We are redirecting the old atom.xml URL to the new (and old) URL rss20.xml.) If you already use it and look at the web UI, enjoy the new theme that Paladox imported from KDE to make it look about 150% better than before. (thanks to him for that theming work!) We also applied patches to make it look more like our former planet for a smooth transition. A "wmf1" package has been built and uploaded at https://apt.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pool/main/r/rawdog/ If you want to know more about "rawdog": https://offog.org/code/rawdog/ https://packages.debian.org/stretch/rawdog If you want to add your blog feed, feel free to upload changes or just drop me a mail. Bugs can be reported here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/413/ Tickets are: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180498 , https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168490 Cheers, Daniel -- Daniel Zahn <dzahn(a)wikimedia.org> Operations Engineer _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Andre Klapper

6:08 p.m.

Hi, On Thu, 2018-05-31 at 11:08 +0200, David Cuenca Tudela wrote:

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I like the new design, however I am missing some information about the source of each post. Would it be possible to add the source website to each post?

The source website is linked from the date header.

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And another more general question I have is, could the Planet be linked from the Wikimedia blog? I feel that it is quite hidden now, so by linking it from the blog maybe it would gain visibility.

That's a question for the blog maintainers that you could file at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?projects=Wiki… Cheers, andre -- Andre Klapper | Wikimedia Bugwrangler https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/

David Cuenca Tudela

9:12 p.m.

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Andre Klapper <aklapper(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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The source website is linked from the date header.

I'm aware of that, but in my opinion that is not visible enough.

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That's a question for the blog maintainers that you could file at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/ 1/?projects=Wikimedia-Blog

Thanks for the pointer. Done: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T196069 Regards, Micru

Paladox

9:45 p.m.

Hi, something like ⇪ Screen Shot 2018-05-31 at 14.45.05.png ? | | | | ⇪ Screen Shot 2018-05-31 at 14.45.05.png | | | On Thursday, 31 May 2018, 14:12:58 BST, David Cuenca Tudela <dacuetu(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Andre Klapper <aklapper(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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The source website is linked from the date header.

I'm aware of that, but in my opinion that is not visible enough.

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That's a question for the blog maintainers that you could file at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/ 1/?projects=Wikimedia-Blog

Thanks for the pointer. Done: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T196069 Regards, Micru _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Paladox

1 Jun 1 Jun

12:02 a.m.

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F18632742 On Thursday, 31 May 2018, 14:45:45 BST, Paladox <thomasmulhall410(a)yahoo.com> wrote: Hi, something like ⇪ Screen Shot 2018-05-31 at 14.45.05.png ? | | | | ⇪ Screen Shot 2018-05-31 at 14.45.05.png | | | On Thursday, 31 May 2018, 14:12:58 BST, David Cuenca Tudela <dacuetu(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Andre Klapper <aklapper(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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The source website is linked from the date header.

I'm aware of that, but in my opinion that is not visible enough.

...

That's a question for the blog maintainers that you could file at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/ 1/?projects=Wikimedia-Blog

Sam Wilson

2 Jun 2 Jun

6:53 p.m.

At the hackathon last week I had a play with setting up a similar thing just for MediaWiki feeds: https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/mediawiki-feeds/ On 31/05/18 09:33, Daniel Zahn wrote:

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Daniel Zahn

11:12 p.m.

Nice. Let's add these MediaWiki feeds to the en.planet feeds, assuming they are all English and since Mediawiki is like a subgroup of Wikimedia. On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 3:53 AM, Sam Wilson <sam(a)samwilson.id.au> wrote:

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At the hackathon last week I had a play with setting up a similar thing just for MediaWiki feeds: https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/mediawiki-feeds/ On 31/05/18 09:33, Daniel Zahn wrote:

Hi, this is an announcement to let you know that the service ($lang). planet.wikimedia.org, an RSS feed aggregator for all Wikimedia related blogs, has switched software. You can find the English version at https://en.planet.wikimedia.org/ Other existing languages are listed on https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet.wikimedia.org#Whi ch_languages_exist ? Today we moved away from planet-venus and to a newer package called "rawdog" that does the same thing as before, fetching a bunch of RSS feed and combining them into a single page and feed. The reason is that planet-venus has been dropped in Debian stable (stretch) because it was unmaintained, so we had to find an alternative to be able to upgrade the underlying servers to a current OS version. If you never heard of planet, here you can find more info: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet.wikimedia.org If you already use it but just subscribe to the "feed of feeds" then nothing should change for you. (Though note that we support RSS 2.0 but not a separate Atom feed anymore. We are redirecting the old atom.xml URL to the new (and old) URL rss20.xml.) If you already use it and look at the web UI, enjoy the new theme that Paladox imported from KDE to make it look about 150% better than before. (thanks to him for that theming work!) We also applied patches to make it look more like our former planet for a smooth transition. A "wmf1" package has been built and uploaded at https://apt.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pool/main/r/rawdog/ If you want to know more about "rawdog": https://offog.org/code/rawdog/ https://packages.debian.org/stretch/rawdog If you want to add your blog feed, feel free to upload changes or just drop me a mail. Bugs can be reported here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/413/ Tickets are: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180498 , https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168490 Cheers, Daniel

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Sam Wilson

3 Jun 3 Jun

1:12 p.m.

Good idea for some of them, but I'm not sure everyone wants to read the latest Stack Exchange and Reddit posts with random questions about MediaWiki. Although, it's not like the planet gets *all* that many posts a day at the moment, so perhaps it'd be okay? On 02/06/18 23:12, Daniel Zahn wrote:

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At the hackathon last week I had a play with setting up a similar thing just for MediaWiki feeds: https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/mediawiki-feeds/ On 31/05/18 09:33, Daniel Zahn wrote:

Hi, this is an announcement to let you know that the service ($lang). planet.wikimedia.org, an RSS feed aggregator for all Wikimedia related blogs, has switched software. You can find the English version at https://en.planet.wikimedia.org/ Other existing languages are listed on https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet.wikimedia.org#Whi ch_languages_exist ? Today we moved away from planet-venus and to a newer package called "rawdog" that does the same thing as before, fetching a bunch of RSS feed and combining them into a single page and feed. The reason is that planet-venus has been dropped in Debian stable (stretch) because it was unmaintained, so we had to find an alternative to be able to upgrade the underlying servers to a current OS version. If you never heard of planet, here you can find more info: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet.wikimedia.org If you already use it but just subscribe to the "feed of feeds" then nothing should change for you. (Though note that we support RSS 2.0 but not a separate Atom feed anymore. We are redirecting the old atom.xml URL to the new (and old) URL rss20.xml.) If you already use it and look at the web UI, enjoy the new theme that Paladox imported from KDE to make it look about 150% better than before. (thanks to him for that theming work!) We also applied patches to make it look more like our former planet for a smooth transition. A "wmf1" package has been built and uploaded at https://apt.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pool/main/r/rawdog/ If you want to know more about "rawdog": https://offog.org/code/rawdog/ https://packages.debian.org/stretch/rawdog If you want to add your blog feed, feel free to upload changes or just drop me a mail. Bugs can be reported here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/413/ Tickets are: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180498 , https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168490 Cheers, Daniel

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Daniel Zahn

11:22 p.m.

I made a ticket for it to check which ones we may want and which we don't. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T196231 On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 10:12 PM, Sam Wilson <sam(a)samwilson.id.au> wrote:

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just for MediaWiki feeds: https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/mediawiki-feeds/ On 31/05/18 09:33, Daniel Zahn wrote: Hi,

this is an announcement to let you know that the service ($lang). planet.wikimedia.org, an RSS feed aggregator for all Wikimedia related blogs, has switched software. You can find the English version at https://en.planet.wikimedia.org/ Other existing languages are listed on https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet.wikimedia.org#Whi ch_languages_exist ? Today we moved away from planet-venus and to a newer package called "rawdog" that does the same thing as before, fetching a bunch of RSS feed and combining them into a single page and feed. The reason is that planet-venus has been dropped in Debian stable (stretch) because it was unmaintained, so we had to find an alternative to be able to upgrade the underlying servers to a current OS version. If you never heard of planet, here you can find more info: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet.wikimedia.org If you already use it but just subscribe to the "feed of feeds" then nothing should change for you. (Though note that we support RSS 2.0 but not a separate Atom feed anymore. We are redirecting the old atom.xml URL to the new (and old) URL rss20.xml.) If you already use it and look at the web UI, enjoy the new theme that Paladox imported from KDE to make it look about 150% better than before. (thanks to him for that theming work!) We also applied patches to make it look more like our former planet for a smooth transition. A "wmf1" package has been built and uploaded at https://apt.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pool/main/r/rawdog/ If you want to know more about "rawdog": https://offog.org/code/rawdog/ https://packages.debian.org/stretch/rawdog If you want to add your blog feed, feel free to upload changes or just drop me a mail. Bugs can be reported here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/413/ Tickets are: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180498 , https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168490 Cheers, Daniel _______________________________________________

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