On 24/12/06, GerardM <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote: I'm not in the least bit surprised. The point is, that having a record on the bug tracker, where all the other damn patches are submitted, helps out with code review, if, god help us, an i18n patch goes nuts and wipes half the enwiki database. Please drop the whole, "I'm not a developer, why the hell should I co-operate with you" attitude. I daren't actually copy directly out of the email because I don't know if my machine is configured well enough that what I'll paste ends up being Japanese or Wingdings, or a bunch of little squares. Rob Church

On Mon, Dec 25, 2006 at 03:18:22PM +0100, Timwi wrote: Ok; I'm gonna throw an oar in the water here. Rob may have overstated the case. But when a project gets big enough, procedures which have evolved for certain tasks really do become essential -- especially when some of the staff are volunteers. It has nothing to do with a developer/non-developer schism; it's just practicality. Contributors are welcome to do things in other ways, but they do run the risk of their contributions not getting into the project's mainline. This is true of almost every project that passes a certain size, not just this one. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth jra(a)baylink.com Designer Baylink RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates The Things I Think '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274

Hoi, The question that I put to Rob on the mediawiki-i18n was in reaction to a large amount of new messages he posted that needed translation. My question to him was if these messages would become available on the BetaWiki as well. BetaWiki is a wiki operated by Nikerabbit where people can and do work on the translation of messages. Its saving grace is that it does not require anything from a translator but going there, find the messages that are not translated and translate them. Translators are not interested in learning all kinds of procedures that may be normal to developers. They want to translate. The BetaWiki has functionality to take these translations and merge them with the main stream. I have asked both Brion and Nikerabbit if this functionality can be merged with the MediaWiki software. And they agreed to look into this and some work has already been done I understand. be in the "incubator". It serves two purposes; a translation of a message gives instant gratification to the people working on demonstrating that a new project is feasible, and it brings this functionality into the WMF. The point here as much as anything is that there are two communities both with separate requirements and with some 250 languages nominally supported in MediaWiki, it becomes increasingly difficult to support this. With the BetaWiki functionality we have bespoke functionality to ease this process. This makes everyone a winner. Thanks, GerardM On 12/26/06, Rob Church <robchur(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Dec 27, 2006 at 01:11:09PM +0100, Timwi wrote: BZ's UI is crap. RedHat's version is much less so. How come those patches never made it back into the mainline? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth jra(a)baylink.com Designer Baylink RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates The Things I Think '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274

On 27/12/06, Simetrical <Simetrical+wikitech(a)gmail.com> wrote: Yeah, and Perl 6 is going to solve the world's scripting problems, so we have more time for the delights of Duke Nukem Forever!!1! I don't know much about the Red Hat patches. Can we steal them from somewhere? Rob Church