Jimbo wrote:
>Bandwidth costs are minor, as far as I'm concerned.
>I've never even bothered to break it out from my overall
>bandwidth bill. People think Wikipedia is popular, and it
>is in a sense, but on a bandwidth basis, it's a small part of
>what we do overall.
You may be interested in this graph;
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&range=6m&size=large&comp…
-- mav (runs and hides)
>>>>> "FB" == Fred Bauder <fredbaud(a)ctelco.net> writes:
FB> So that settles it? and Evan Prodromous should go back to
FB> mowing his lawn?
I don't have a lawn, so that doesn't even help.
Back to my original question: does someone have existing code to slurp
the Factbook?
~ESP
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Evan Prodromou <evan(a)wikitravel.org>
Wikitravel - http://www.wikitravel.org/
The free, complete, up-to-date and reliable world-wide travel guide
Jimbo wrote:
>So this probably means that Alexa's numbers are
>more of a novelty than anything else.
Good thing we found this out now instead of after we
send out our press release which states that,
according to Alexa, Wikipedia.org has a higher rating
than Britannica.com. Is there a way to view actual
usage data between the two sites?
Britannica.com/stats/ doesn't work. I would also be
interested in seeing Bomis.com's data just to see how
wrong Alexa was; if that is OK with you Jimmy. :)
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
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>>>>> "JW" == Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)bomis.com> writes:
JW> I notice that you're currently using the Creative Commons
JW> by-sa (attribution share-alike) license. That's a good
JW> license, nearly identical in spirit to the GNU FDL but not, in
JW> my opinion, strictly compatible.
Yes, I'm pretty sure they're incompatible, actually.
JW> Since you're only a few days in, you could still switch to GNU
JW> FDL easily enough -- this might be best for you, if you
JW> envision a lot of content sharing between your site and
JW> wikipedia (which seems natural).
I realize that the license incompatibility with Wikipedia articles is
a serious problem. But I'm just not convinced that the GFDL is right
for us.
http://www.wikitravel.org/article/Wikitravel:Why_Wikitravel_isn't_GFDL
However, I think that the GFDL isn't really compatible with our goals
for Wikitravel.
http://www.wikitravel.org/article/Wikitravel:Goals_and_non-goals
Specifically, we want to make it really easy for a tourist information
office, a hotel or guesthouse, or a party planner to have a stack of
copies of a Wikitravel article for use by customers/visitors.
The heavyweight nature of the GFDL would make it hard for them to
comply: just having to redistribute the entire license text and a
changelog makes it unreasonable for 1-2 page articles, and having to
distribute source code is just out of the question.
The Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0 just requires a copyright notice and
the URL of the license -- small enough to fit in a little paragraph at
the end of an article.
It really bothers me a lot that the license incompatibilities make it
hard to borrow content from Wikipedia. I've thought about doing a dual
license, so that at least Wikitravel content could be shared into
Wikipedia, if not vice versa, but it seems like a lot of trouble (and
explaining).
The only consolation I have is that a lot of encyclopedic content
isn't really applicable for a travel guide. But there is a lot of
crossover. The trade-off is painful but apparently necessary.
JW> I'm enthusiastic about your project, and I think the idea is
JW> excellent.
Thanks for the support. We're excited about the project, too!
~ESP
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Evan Prodromou <evan(a)wikitravel.org>
Wikitravel - http://www.wikitravel.org/
The free, complete, up-to-date and reliable world-wide travel guide
So, hi again, everybody. I'm working on a project to create a free,
complete, up-to-date and reliable _travel_guide_. It's similar in
philosophy to Wikipedia or Wiktionary -- providing a Wiki-edited
reference text with a free license -- but has the specific goal of
making a travel guide rather than an encyclopedia.
For example, the Montreal entry for Wikitravel would have lists of
hotels, restaurants, and bars with their addresses and phone numbers,
prices and times for important transportation or sightseeing venues,
etc., etc. All the type of thing that probably wouldn't belong in the
Wikipedia Montreal entry.
Anyway, we're just getting started, and my first task is to slurp up
the CIA factbook 2002 for maps and basic info on countries and get
them into Wikitravel. I've downloaded the factbook, but it's in plain
HTML and doesn't seem to have much semantic markup to make it easy to
figure out what's what in the page.
I know that one of the first tasks for Wikipedia was slurping the
factbook for 2000. I seem to remember seeing a script around in CVS
for doing that, but I might have been mistaking the yearbook/
directory for factbook info.
Any suggestions? Sample code? Pointers to more structured data for the
factbook?
TIA for MIA at the CIA,
~ESP
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Evan Prodromou <evan(a)wikitravel.org>
Wikitravel - http://www.wikitravel.org/
The free, complete, up-to-date and reliable world-wide travel guide
After a brief vacation, I'm back online now, and have already fixed my buggy category implementation (in the CVS and at the test site).
Any serious objection to turn that function on with the next update (currently, en only)?
Magnus
Jens Frank wrote:
>Maveric, I didn't want to allege fraud,
>if you've got this impression I'm very sorry.
You are forgiven. :-) And I'm sorry for assuming that you were implying that I
was doing something wrong. I should have known better that you wouldn't do
that.
>The fact that an IP is only counted once per page would
>btw not reduce the impact of power users to the statistic.
>/wiki/Article
>/w/wiki.phtml?title=Article
>/w/wiki.phtml?title=Article&action=edit
>/w/wiki.phtml?title=Article&action=preview
>
>All are different pages for alexa, so a power user
>would generate lots of hits.
Only if they are an Alexa user. We could have a poll if you like. Oh and there
is no =preview; only =submit. And things like wiki.phtml?title=Article
usually only appear when viewing a print version. Besides editing and reading
are two different types of uses so they should be counted separately.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
Evan Prodromou wrote:
>So, hi again, everybody. I'm working on a project to
>create a free, complete, up-to-date and reliable
> _travel_guide_. ....
Already a project for that:
http://www.capitancook.com/
It is GNU FDL and uses some Wikipedia content.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)