<>One critical difference for WAP phone browsing is that many phones have extremely small page size limits; a maximum of 1397 bytes.of compressed content per page in order to work with currently fielded devices. So Wikipedia pages will need to be chopped up into right-size chunks, and an effective navigation interface provided to move through these. Fortunately we already have hierarchical subheadings and paragraph breaks, so these can be used to "paginate" the WAP data cleanly, rather than breaking it on arbitary boundaries.

-- Neil

On 07/16/04 14:06, Alex Hottenstein wrote: You want http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_subdomain This is an idea that's in the air at the moment. Have you seen this? http://www.kwickee.com Have a look at this thing and read the FAQs and marketing documents. It's a collaborative user-contributed articles thing for mobile phones in the UK, done on a commercial basis. "The first group to welcome new technologies and ideas are predominantly the young. Since this group is also the largest to own browser-enabled mobile phones, we anticipate the bulk of the market for Kwickee Bitesize will be 16-30-year-olds. It is also understood that the 30+ market use the Kwickee website - taking full advantage of the special features and subscription services." (i.e., it looks like the sort of wishful thinking dot-com marketers come up with on a Tuesday afternoon down the pub.) I think they're onto a loser, because their intended market uses Internet-capable phones. Which would therefore be quite able to access any web page readable in Opera. Like OURS, let's say. They plan a *significant* marketing push for this thing (from http://www.kwickee.com/2a_marketing1.html): "How will Kwickee Bitesize be advertised? A major marketing programme is planned for the first year of launch. This will include a major SMS campaign, advertising in magazines, daily newspapers, cinemas and over the Internet. The marketing campaign has been awarded to a UK top three Advertising & Data Marketing Agency." "How big is the UK market for Kwickee Bitesize?" "There are approximately 30 million people with mobile handsets capable of receiving a Bitesize. Alternatively, anyone with an Internet connection can receive a Kwickee Bitesize." Dot-com taught us that trying to *start* an idea as a business that your competitor could start in their garage is unlikely to work. We should be able to ride this big time. How does Wikipedia look on browser-capable mobile phones? Do we have any automatic function to pull the intro from all articles (that have an intro) and just send that on request? (This'll make news style for article intros a better idea ...) - David. _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

I had not seen the http://www.kwickee.com site, but it does prove that there is movement toward doing more and more things on cell phones. I do not know that it is actually what I am hoping that we can achieve however. Wikipedia is perfect for this type of endeavor simply because all the information on it is free, and saved in a centralized, basic standard (I am assuming) all of which should be able to easily be pulled into whatever cell phone form we would need to use. I am not looking for some complex site with user interaction, only one which allows the user to punch in a keyword, get search return results, and then see the article (obviously broken down screen by screen). This would not need to be complex, and there are few to no security issues that I can think of if we make this read-only. Wikipedia can gain greatly from the concept that this would push. Publicly available information accessibly anywhere that a Internet enabled cell phone is accessible. Would it be 100% useful in the first phase? probably not. But, it could (and I believe) should be done. Again, I do not know the protocol here, so who is in charge of determining actual product movements? On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:20:45 +0000, David Gerard &lt;fun(a)thingy.apana.org.au&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

I don't know the solution, but it sure would be sweet to have some means of bulk uploading, for example ftp or something like that.

Any bulk uploading should probably be limited to admins as its potential for abuse is pretty evident.

The time in adding images is in preparing them for publication (cropping etc) and adding them to articles.

Special:Unusedimages says that we have 26,121 unused images. I am aware than mediawiki 1.3 has a problem in this area but we don't have a grip on image use at the moment.

I don't know the solution, but it sure would be sweet to have some means of bulk uploading, for example ftp or something like that.