I should be subscribed now. I don't know if others have encountered
problems subscribing to the list, but if so, they don't have the
option I did of just logging onto the server and subscribing myself
manually. I don't know much about mailman, so maybe I'm not the best
one to investigate.
While I'm here, let me express my take on Brion's suggestion for the
pipe-shortcut: I don't like the suggestion. The syntax of a language
intended for non-technical folks should be as simple and unsurprizing
as possible. If we can throw a bone to the old hands now and then to
make their job easier too, that's fine--that's why I added the pipe
trick in the first place. But if "xxxxx" is a valid page title, then
the simple notation [[xxx]] should link to that page, in every case,
not just the most common ones. Brion's suggestion would not make a
special expert syntax, it would make a special case of /names/ that
don't obey the standard syntax. I think that's more surprizing than
the alternatives.
What I /would/ support is changing the piped syntax so that it was
interpreted at render time rather than save time; so that, for
example, [[Mercury (planet)|]] would remain in the page source code
as is, rather than being expanded right away.
--
Lee Daniel Crocker <lee(a)piclab.com> <http://www.piclab.com/lee/>
"All inventions or works of authorship original to me, herein and past,
are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may be used or modified
for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or notification."--LDC
I will describe my idea of creating categories through voting
in points (still a kind of draft):
// implementation notes are marked as here
Vote for category link on every page can lead
to Add keywords to the article you edit
// only one extra box needed
Software will count keywords as votes for particular categories.
// only one table for categories is needed
// cat_id, cat_name, cat_votes
// keywords can have mulptiple words like "physical anthropology"
// so some separator is needed
Keywords added by person who done some edit are weighted higher
e.g. like 5 'viewers votes'.
// this extra box can appear under editing pane like
// the description box appears
It is not obligatory to add any keyword in this case.
At the top of the article all categories can be presented
in the order of descending number of votes (let's say top 10).
If you disagree with the fact of a given article being in some category
or so high in the hierarchy preceed a keyword with minus sign.
Everybody (and especially admins) can view the whole list of categories
that a given article was assigned to (the number of votes are presented as well).
// maybe Special:Assignedto page?
Admins can remove real rubbish links to categories (including vandalism).
// delete link on said Special:Assignedto page (or a series of check-boxes)
Removed links are logged on a special page - that way everyone can check
if some admin overuses his rights.
=== Sifter extension ===
Another voting system could be implemented for "certified"
users who can vote for quality. This could incorporate "lighter" idea
of sifter into Wikipedia.
This won't have influence on editing capabilities of anyone.
Sister voting system, third one, could be implemented
for "certified" users who will vote for their category scheme.
Everyone can select either first or the second category scheme
or both when viewing article. As well, anyone can select quality
note to be rendered on the page.
----
Open problems:
- Will people like it?
- How filter RecentChanges with so many categories?
- What if a vandal, insane user, etc edits just to promote an article
in a given category? How to decrease voting counters?
- Should we stick to stif tree-like structures?
(Inclusion of one category into another can be done through...
voting on Category:Foobar_category page that describes
this particular category)
Regards,
Youandme
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The mailing list isn't cooperating with Lee's attempts to send to it, so
I'm forwarding his message here; it may or may not make it through on
its own in a few hours. -- brion
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From: Lee Daniel Crocker <lee(a)piclab.com>
To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
Subject: Rumors of my death...
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It's been a fun couple of months for me, involving spending long
hours at work printing year-end reports and making up for many hours
of productivity lost to my wikihabit, followed immediately by my
buying a house, which is also a big time and money sink.
Anyway, I'm all moved in now (well, at least the important things--
the kitchen and the network), so I hope to get back to contributing.
Finding the new mailing list was simple enough, and I subscribed
with my own address now so I won't have the Nupedia disk-limit
problem any more (my server has a nice 12 gig or so free--that
should handle at least a week or so of list traffic).
I'll have to take a few days to go over the archives as well, but
it looks like Brion and Jimbo and Mav and the gang are doing their
usual bang-up job of keeping the project on track.
--
Lee Daniel Crocker <lee(a)piclab.com> <http://www.piclab.com/lee/>
"All inventions or works of authorship original to me, herein and past,
are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may be used or modified
for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or notification."--LDC
It's been a fun couple of months for me, involving spending long
hours at work printing year-end reports and making up for many hours
of productivity lost to my wikihabit, followed immediately by my
buying a house, which is also a big time and money sink.
Anyway, I'm all moved in now (well, at least the important things--
the kitchen and the network), so I hope to get back to contributing.
Finding the new mailing list was simple enough, and I subscribed
with my own address now so I won't have the Nupedia disk-limit
problem any more (my server has a nice 12 gig or so free--that
should handle at least a week or so of list traffic).
I'll have to take a few days to go over the archives as well, but
it looks like Brion and Jimbo and Mav and the gang are doing their
usual bang-up job of keeping the project on track.
--
Lee Daniel Crocker <lee(a)piclab.com> <http://www.piclab.com/lee/>
"All inventions or works of authorship original to me, herein and past,
are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may be used or modified
for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or notification."--LDC
> I agree, but for now it's a step ahead of where we
> are. Another
> interesting challenge will come from how we deal and
> reconcile with the
> established policy of putting names as [[John
> Smith]] instead of
> [[Smith, John]]
I think this will be easy to solve in the Esperanto
version since we use the standard Esperanto convention
[[John SMITH]] to show last names, since Asians tend
to put their last names first, like [[ZHU Xin]]. Is
this technically easy to do on the Esperanto
wikipedia? I know Miroslav always complains about
this lack in the Wikipedia software...
Thanks,
Chuck
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Interesting fact: Google returns more
results for "Esperanto" than for "Catalan"
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Hi,
I made two small scripts to generate pages for years, decades and days with
links to other languages. However Italian (and some other languages) are
missing from http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_formats_for_language_linking
Details on the page above.
Best regards,
Yann
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http://www.forget-me.net
Alternatives sur le Net
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Hello,
After the last update which included the links to the user:discussion page
(which is certainly useful) I have problems to scan RecentChanges for the
really important things, i.e. the articles which were modified. In English
it is not such a big problem because "diff" and "hist" and "talk" (and
"block") are a lot shorter than "Unterschied" "Versionen", "Diskussion"
and "blockieren" but German RecentChanges are at the moment almost
unreadable for me.
Example:
* (Unterschied) (Versionen) . . M Tannhäuser; 02:17 . . Hunne (Diskussion) (wikifiz)
* (Unterschied) (Versionen) . . M Krieg; 02:16 . . Nerd (Diskussion) (Vorheriges tlw wiederherigestellt)
* (Unterschied) (Versionen) . . Tannhäuser; 02:16 . . Hunne (Diskussion) (aus dt. LIt. d. Ma.)
* (Unterschied) (Versionen) . .N Occams Rasiermesser; 02:15 . . Morken? (Diskussion?)
* (Unterschied) (Versionen) . . Karl Popper; 02:15 . . 217.85.236.108 (Diskussion? | blockieren)
* (Unterschied) (Versionen) . . Jurist; 02:13 . . Juergen (Diskussion?) (erweitert und umformuliert)
* (Unterschied) (Versionen) . .N Neidhart von Reuental; 02:13 . . Hunne (Diskussion) (aus dt. Lit. d. Ma.)
* (Unterschied) (Versionen) . . M Quecksilber; 02:13 . . MarianSz (Diskussion?)
* (Unterschied) (Versionen) . . Deutsche Literatur (Mittelalter); 02:13 . . Hunne (Diskussion) (wikifiz)
* (Unterschied) (Versionen) . .N Wolfram von Eschenbach; 02:11 . . Hunne (Diskussion) (aus dt. Lit. d. Ma.)
* (Unterschied) (Versionen) . . M Krieg; 02:11 . . Nerd (Diskussion) (biologistischen Standpunkt kenntlich gemacht)
* (Unterschied) (Versionen) . . Diskussion:Der Kürenberger; 02:10 . . Hunne (Diskussion) (@62.178.228.146 und Kurt Jansson)
Suggestion: my first idea was to display the article in bold but this
would conflict with the watchlist feature. But it should be possible to
display at least some parts in a smaller fontsize: "Diskussion" and
"blockieren" and maybe also "Unterschied" and "Versionen".
What do you think? Could someone please change this, at least for the
German wikipedia?
greetings,
elian
comparison table:
en: diff hist talk block
de: Unterschied Versionen Diskussion blockieren
es: diferencias historia discusion ?
sv: skillnad historia Diskussion ?
eo: malsamoj historio Diskuto ?
On Sunday 16 February 2003 03:08 am, wikitech-l-request(a)wikipedia.org wrote:
> [en]
> We need:
> 1. concensus (is anybody against ?)
> 2. changing settings of Wikipedia script
> 3. reversing DNS redirects from
> www.wikipedia.pl->pl.wikipedia.org to
> pl.wikipedia.org->www.wikipedia.pl
>
> Who aministrates both names ?
> Could they please agree how to do the 3rd part ?
IIRC Jimbo was dead set against this type of move (but redirection from a
county domain to the .org one is fine). IMO it is bad enough already that
xx.wikipedia.org looks like a different domain.
I thought we were all one big project at one domain on one server - having
different domains will only tend to enforce a sense of separateness. Also
what happens if the owner of the domain doesn't or can't pay the bill for it
or decides to yank it (not that I think Kpjas would ever do that)? If
something does happen then a lot of links will be broken and I thought that
was something that was greatly frowned upon around here.
--Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
Hello all,
Perusing Wikipedia articles I see more and more of them have not
been updated (reviewed) for a long time. It is quite obvious
with 100000+ articles.
Suppose I wanted to watch out and review indecently old articles.
Perhaps the Ancient Changes list/page (the equivalent of Recent Changes)
might come in handy.
Regards,
Kpjas.
The Sep.11 Wikipedia (http://sep11.wikipedia.org) currently has 12 pages.
The most relevant page there is "Personal experiences", which is a
collection of personal accounts from the day, other than that it's mostly
links to the English Wikipedia. Still we officially promote it as a sister
project. I don't think that's a good idea, and it is just another
Wikipedia to maintain, which means less time to work on much needed
language coordination.
We could move the personal experiences to [[Talk:September 11, 2001
terrorist attack]], linked to from the main Sep. 11 page as "Personal
experiences". This is similar to the way we linked to personal tributes on
the victim pages as "Tributes and Comments". In both cases, this goes
beyond the purposes of talk pages to be used for writing articles only,
but I think in the case of major disasters, we can make an exception to
this rule.
Thoughts?
Regards,
Erik