Hi sorry to post to a list, but is there a webmaster for wikipedia.org?
I have a few questions about broken links and downloading a db dump, but
there seems to be no "contact <anyone>" page that is easy to find.
thanks,
matt
Arvind Narayanan wrote:
>No way!! Many people, me included, contribute to wikipedia
>because of a spirit of freedom/communist zeal/whatever that
>would largely evaporate if wikipedia started serving ads. Even
>a symbolic thing like the change from wikipedia.com to
>wikipedia.org was a big motivation for me. Anyway didn't Jimbo
>promise us long back that there would *never* be ads on
>wikipedia? :)
IIRC he said that there were no /plans/ for ads in the forseeable future. I
think that that is the best we can all hope for. But donations alone may not
be able to always pay the bills. In that case I wouldn't mind having
something smart like Google AdSense serve ads to anons. In that scenario an
added benefit would be to give anons another reason to log-in: no more ads!
I think that would work out OK, because the freedom/communistic feelings you
talk about (and I share) are far more prevalent in contributors than they are
in readers. In fact readers expect to see some form of advertising on content
websites like Wikipedia (some have expressed unease over the /absence/ of
advertising, thinking that Wikipedia would one day disappear due to a lack of
income). So if needed I think we can have advertisements if it is done right
and it isn't distracting (ala smart Google text ads). Oh and banner ads,
skyscrappers and especially pop-ups should be avoided like the plague.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
Is there anyone who is knowledgeable about "donation by clicking" scheme?
A user goes to a page with many ads, and the ad revenue for the site will
become a donation to help wikipedia/ wikimedia.
I am talking about sites like this:
http://www.thehungersite.comhttp://www.veggiedirectory.com/
The benefit of it is that it could be done outside the wikipedia.org domain,
and could be done by people other than Jimbo. I have little idea how much
fund it can raise (probably not much, perhaps 1 to $10 a day), and I have
very little idea if there is any handy way to set one up.
Well, just an idea.
cheers,
Tomos
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Three points:
o Unesco
o TakingItGlobal
o Google AdSense
I was thinking the other day that the goals of
Wikipedia are in line with those of Unesco and I was
wondering if we could somehow try to become officially
connected with Unesco to gain a better reputation. We
might also be able to get significant financial grants
from them in this way.
Also, I think it would good if we could put the
Wikipedia project and the Wikimedia foundation in the
TakingItGlobal database which is a database for
activists, so that we can connect. TIG works as an
umbrella organization for other non-profits.
I know people are going to yell at me, but I think
Google AdSense would produce an incredible amount of
money for the project. We could show them to
anonymous users and people who log in could turn them
off if they wanted. Well anyway, it's just a
suggestion, don't bite my head off.
So, what do you think?
Chuck
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> > Also, I think it would good if we could put the
> Wikipedia project
> > and the Wikimedia foundation in the TakingItGlobal
> database which is
> > a database for activists, so that we can connect.
> TIG works as an
> > umbrella organization for other non-profits.
>
> I've just looked at their site, and I have no
> particular objection to
> our being listed there. Actually, it looks like I
> can do it right
> now, so I will.
Well, one good idea out of three ain't bad. If anyone
is interested, they can view the page at
http://www.takingitglobal.org/opps/orgdir.html?vieworg=4652
If you have an account there, make sure you say
you're affiliated with the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
Best wishes,
Chuck
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Brion Vibber wrote:
> but the day there are advertisements on the main Wikipedia site
> we'll lose a lot of people, including me.
I know also people who will stop donating...
Wikipedia can stay free (of advertisement). I am sure of that.
Fantasy :-)
> This scheme could be implemented more cleanly by using a
> cookie rather than a separate domain. A person visiting the
> donate page could find a link to set a cookie that says
> 'ads=true'. After that, they would see ads until they turned
> them off. Alternatively, this could be an option in user
> preferences.
Easiest yet: serve all the obnoxious ads you want, just serve them all from another subdomain; eg, inyoface.wikipedia.com. Doing so would encourage the adoption of filtering proxies or browsers that implement easy image- and flash- blocking.
(This suggestion is close-smilied for the humor-impaired.)
--
the Epopt
Just FYI for Mac OS X users: Safari has a bug (also present in some old
versions of Mozilla / Netscape 6.x) which makes it possible for
third-party sites to steal domain cookies.
Hypothetically, this could allow a site you visit (even accidentally,
or as an inline image) to steal your temporary session cookies and your
stored password (if you selected "remember my password") from
Wikipedia. A stolen password cookie could be used to login to the wiki
with your user name; hijacking a session cookie may be possible as
well.
I've tightened up the cookie settings on all other Wikipedias so that
if you clear any old cookies you might have from them, the new cookies
should no longer be vulnerable to this bug (because they will be set
only for a specific hostname, eg fr.wikipedia.org, and the technique
doesn't work on such a cookie). However the
en.wikipedia.org/en2.wikipedia.org setup currently requires using the
domain cookie to share sessions between the two servers and remains
vulnerable. (Not to mention all those other web sites out there!)
If you're using Safari, consider clearing your stored cookies and
disabling accepting new cookies until Apple releases a fix. Mozilla 1.5
and Camino 0.7 are not vulnerable and are very functional browsers.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
> Chuck Smith <msochuck(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I was thinking the other day that the goals of
> Wikipedia are in line with those of Unesco and I was
> wondering if we could somehow try to become officially
> connected with Unesco to gain a better reputation. We
> might also be able to get significant financial grants
> from them in this way.
>
Looks good on the surface. However official connections with other
organizations may bring certain responsibilities and restrictions we
would be better off no dealing with. It's something to look into.
> Also, I think it would good if we could put the
> Wikipedia project and the Wikimedia foundation in the
> TakingItGlobal database which is a database for
> activists, so that we can connect. TIG works as an
> umbrella organization for other non-profits.
Well, maybe. I don't know anything about TIG.
>
> I know people are going to yell at me, but I think
> Google AdSense would produce an incredible amount of
> money for the project. We could show them to
> anonymous users and people who log in could turn them
> off if they wanted. Well anyway, it's just a
> suggestion, don't bite my head off.
Yell, yell, rant, flame, etc, etc. No ads, please. It's not that I think
that all advertising in all forms is evil, but it's really nice to
have an ad-free space for everyone to work in. Plus, many people will
quit on principle. The possibility of advertising seems to have been a
major factor in the Spanish fork.
Stephen Gilbert