Alex - I will certainly make that point to them. The dataset *might* yet end up on the NMM's own website, though there are apparently some obstacles to doing so.

WSC - I'd thought about Wikisource. I'm not particularly familiar with that project - their inclusion guidelines say "
Wikisource does not collect reference material unless it is published as part of a complete source text. Such information has not been previously published, is often user-compiled and unverified, and does not fit the goals of Wikisource." The interesting bit is probably the interpretation of "complete source text", as we're definitely not talking about user-compiled info, and hopefully it does very much meet the goals of Wikisource.

Is there anyone here who is involved with Wikisource who can offer an opinion?

Chris

> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 19:47:45 +0000
> From: werespielchequers@gmail.com
> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] National Maritime Museum collaboration
>
> Perhaps it would be appropriate to load their material to WikiSource
> rather than directly to Wikipedia
> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Main_Page
>
> Then we can cite it in Wikipedia, or if the license is compatible and
> they have an article where we don't we could even import bits into
> Wikipedia.
>
> Some historians might raise an eyebrow if the NMM releases its
> information on one of our sister projects, but once they get used to
> the idea I would hope they'd be happy to cite it.
>
> WereSpielChequers
>
> On 26 February 2011 19:25, Alex Stinson <stinsoad@dukes.jmu.edu> wrote:
> >> Deryck - yes, it would be bizarre if Wikipedia told the National Maritime
> >> Museum their work wasn't up to our standards. However, because it's unusual
> >> to get information of this nature and in this format, I'm keen to establish
> >> a consensus at the outset rather than risk an argument about it later.
> >>
> > I have been working with Royal Navy history for the past year or so and am
> > working under one of NAM Rodger's students right now in writing an
> > undergraduate honors thesis. As it goes for organizations which publish or
> > support Naval History, the NMM is considered one of the more important
> > authorities along with the Naval Records Society which sponsor or publish
> > sets of sources. It clearly is reliable and I would be surprised if someone
> > questioned it.
> > That being said, as Historian, I would find the donation much more useful if
> > it were sponsored on another website (a closed wiki vetted by the NMM?),
> > that way historians can use it without having to cite one of the Wikimedia
> > projects. History, in particular, is a mildly backward field when it comes
> > to digital integration into scholarship. And it is certainly one of the
> > fields I don't think we will see lots of citations to Wikipedia in anytime
> > soon. Naval History is one of the worst subfields for digital integration as
> > well (most of the journals published in the field are not available
> > digitally yet). Any sources published digitally outside of a pay wall would
> > be infinitely useful for scholarship. That would also be useful for vetting
> > of Wikipedia facts, instead of the content being inserted once, it could be
> > refered to for verifiability for however long it is needed.
> > Alex Stinson
> > User:Sadads
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikimedia UK mailing list
> > wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org
> > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
> > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimedia UK mailing list
> wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org
> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org