With the greatest of respect, everyone, can we please remember that I'm volunteering for this. I'm not paid to do it. It's out of my own time, the sametime in which I edit Wikipedia. Who my employer is doesn't (and shouldn't, in my opinion) enter into it. I don't have to volunteer for the jury - I volunteer for another non-Wikimedia organisation who would love me to spend 40+ hours with them instead. I volunteer for Wikimedia because I have done so consistently for ten years - and I've only been employed by them for three of those.

If you're worried that I will unfairly support the point of view of my employer, I can assure you that that's not the case. The various jury meetings are "in camera", so my employer doesn't get to find out what my opinion on these things are, and they can't censure me for it. And I do disagree with my employer on certain things - and my employer respects my right to disagree with them. They're a pretty decent employer like that.

It feels a little bit like I'm being referred to as a "second class volunteer". I know that isn't the case - but it feels that way, It feels a little bit like my volunteer hours are worth less than everyone else's just because of who pays my salary.

I do understand where you're coming from - but we don't judge other people's ability to volunteer based on who pays their salaries. Nor do we assume that I am a 'paid Wikipedia editor'... because I'm not! I'm a volunteer...

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Ellie,

I don't think "We have a system that works for jury selection" is appropriate answer. I just asked how and by who, not but it strange for me that this simple question is been unanswered.

Adding to my first email, now that I familiar more with the jury members - from one hand I'm happy to see know we have a great and talented jury, but from second hand, a little bit strange feeling that the jury members of the major and the biggest community event within our movement are paid staff from wmf/chapters. I see our staff as an integral part of the movement, but still - we don't have any committee, especially when we are talking about Wikimania, that staff are such a major part of the committee.

So yes, this just reinforces the fact that requires a bit more detailed answer to the question - how they are selected.

Thank you, and thanks for all the people that volunteered for this year jury.

Itzik

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Itzik Edri

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On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Ellie Young <eyoung@wikimedia.org> wrote:

We have a system that works for jury selection. What I would STRONGLY like to encourage people in the community to do is seek out prospective people who would be good hosts and work with me on preparing a bid. That is is our biggest need! The CFP was posted earlier this month.

Thank you all.

Ellie

On Sep 29, 2014, at 7:18 AM, Béria Lima <berialima@gmail.com> wrote:

It also makes me wonder how hard whoever "elected" the jury worked to find interested unpaid volunteers as opposed to employees who are part of the normal professional networks.

I might be wrong, but I didnt saw a mail with a call for volunteers to compose the jury like they do every year. (I do might had missed though so is better if Manuel or Ellie answers.)

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2014-09-29 11:13 GMT-03:00 Fæ <faewik@gmail.com>:
On 29 September 2014 14:45, Béria Lima <berialima@gmail.com> wrote:
> I also would like to know the answer to Itzik question:
>
> " Can you elaborate more on how the current jury was elected and by who?"
>> > Richard Symonds
>> > Stuart Prior
>> > Claudia Garad
>> > Esteban Zarate
>> > Daniel Bryant
>> > Finne Boonen
>> > Ellie Young

Could someone point to a profile of the jury members? It is incredibly
hard to see who has been an employee of the WMF or Chapters unless you
happen to know people personally. However, I believe I am correct in
saying that only the minority of the jury has never been a paid
employee, which may not be the best thing for a conference aimed at
unpaid volunteers.

It also makes me wonder how hard whoever "elected" the jury worked to
find interested unpaid volunteers as opposed to employees who are part
of the normal professional networks.

Fae
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