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Today's Topics:
1. Re: The niceness principle (Theo Clarke)
2. RE: Re: Corrected (Wollmann) (Poor, Edmund W)
3. Re: Re: Corrected (Wollmann) (David 'DJ' Hedley)
4. Re: Google hit rankings (Asbestos)
5. Re: Corrected (Wollmann) (Anthere)
6. Re: Corrected (Wollmann) (Anthere)
7. Re: Re: Corrected (Wollmann) (David Gerard)
8. Re: Re: Corrected (Wollmann) (David Gerard)
9. Re: Scope of phone support, (was [WikiEN-l] Re: Corrected
(Wollmann)) (Jason Trickey)
10. Re: Re: Corrected (Wollmann) (Tony Sidaway)
11. RE: Re: Corrected (Wollmann) (Tony Sidaway)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:27:29 +0100
From: Theo Clarke <wiki(a)tignosis.com>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] The niceness principle
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org>
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On Thu, 12 May 2005 03:39:03 +0100, Stacey Greenstein wrote:
Should we then only write nice things about people/
Should we only
include facts that the subjects' approve? Or should we be impartial and
show that there is reality and negativeity?
The impartiality of showing reality and negativity does not mean that we
need to abandon principles such as kindness. I find it helpful to remember
that there are feeling people on the other side of my screen. And, yes, I do
recognise that some people will see this view as sanctimonious.
Theo
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:17:40 -0700
From: "Poor, Edmund W" <Edmund.W.Poor(a)abc.com>
Subject: RE: [WikiEN-l] Re: Corrected (Wollmann)
To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
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Why not write a Wikipedia about Wollman, if he's that fascinating? If it
survives the VFD process, than that might give us an excuse to mention
him via a link from kooks newsgroup. But if it fails a vfd vote, that's
pretty conclusive evidence that he's "non-notable".
Ed
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:29:58 +0100
From: "David 'DJ' Hedley" <spyders(a)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Corrected (Wollmann)
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From mailing list messages I read earlier,
Wollmann's article already
failed
VfD previously (and had serious NPOV issues).
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From: "Poor, Edmund W" <Edmund.W.Poor(a)abc.com>
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Subject: RE: [WikiEN-l] Re: Corrected (Wollmann)
Why not write a Wikipedia about Wollman, if he's that fascinating? If it
survives the VFD process, than that might give us an excuse to mention
him via a link from kooks newsgroup. But if it fails a vfd vote, that's
pretty conclusive evidence that he's "non-notable".
Ed
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:47:17 +0100
From: Asbestos <asbestos999(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Google hit rankings
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org>
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Maybe Google's annoyed that Yahoo got to host Wikipedia space instead of
them...
Sam
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Asbestos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Asbestos
On 5/12/05, Stan Shebs <shebs(a)apple.com> wrote:
Nathan Wong wrote:
Why does Wikipedia seem to be so low recently? It
seems to be barely
featured for lots of common searches, whereas various snapshots and
Wikipedia mirrors are indexed frequently. For example:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=prime+minister+of+the++united+kingdom&…
1&oi=moresources
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=Australia+capital&fsrc=1&oi=mores…
(those are question answers, but thats what many
people may look for).
With Wikipedia being such a popular site, I'd have thought that it
might be higher.
I imagine the Google spider doesn't wait around five minutes
hoping for the page to come up. Many times it just has to cache
the empty page from
wikipedia.org <http://wikipedia.org>, can't be good
for our
page rank vs quick-responding mirrors.
Stan
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 22:46:20 +0200
From: Anthere <anthere9(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Corrected (Wollmann)
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Poor, Edmund W a écrit:
Why not write a Wikipedia about Wollman, if he's
that fascinating? If it
survives the VFD process, than that might give us an excuse to mention
him via a link from kooks newsgroup. But if it fails a vfd vote, that's
pretty conclusive evidence that he's "non-notable".
Ed
Admitedly... I am surprised his article was deleted for him being non
notable... while at the same time he is mentionned in another article
(which seems to imply he is...).
But maybe this is not an argument for notability ?
Ant
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 22:47:19 +0200
From: Anthere <anthere9(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Corrected (Wollmann)
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David Gerard a écrit:
Anthere (anthere9(a)yahoo.com) [050513 03:34]:
While I would just not answer anything at all, the
problem is that he is
calling by phone Terry. And while it is easy not to answer a mail, it is
not so easy not to answer a phone call.
She asks him to hereby stop calling and write a proper legal threat (on
paper, from proper lawyer, signed for, etc.) if he has one to make. He
keeps calling, it's harassment.
- d.
You have a point...
We might suggest that he (Terry is a man...) record the discussions...
Ant
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 07:17:18 +1000
From: David Gerard <fun(a)thingy.apana.org.au>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Corrected (Wollmann)
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Poor, Edmund W (Edmund.W.Poor(a)abc.com) [050513 06:20]:
Why not write a Wikipedia about Wollman, if he's
that fascinating? If it
survives the VFD process, than that might give us an excuse to mention
him via a link from kooks newsgroup. But if it fails a vfd vote, that's
pretty conclusive evidence that he's "non-notable".
You haven't been around VFD much lately, I take it. It's not just an immune
system but an autoimmune disease; people appear to be trying to use it as
Wikipedia's quality control system.
- d.
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 07:18:14 +1000
From: David Gerard <fun(a)thingy.apana.org.au>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Corrected (Wollmann)
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Anthere (anthere9(a)yahoo.com) [050513 06:47]:
Poor, Edmund W a écrit:
>Why not write a Wikipedia about Wollman, if
he's that fascinating? If it
>survives the VFD process, than that might give us an excuse to mention
>him via a link from kooks newsgroup. But if it fails a vfd vote, that's
>pretty conclusive evidence that he's "non-notable".
Admitedly... I am surprised his article was deleted
for him being non
notable... while at the same time he is mentionned in another article
(which seems to imply he is...).
But maybe this is not an argument for notability ?
"Notability" STILL isn't a deletion criterion.
- d.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 07:19:49 +1000
From: Jason Trickey <jason(a)mydomain.com.au>
Subject: Re: Scope of phone support, (was [WikiEN-l] Re: Corrected
(Wollmann))
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
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Make, and enforce policy of not supporting any encyclopedia content over
the phone. Refer him back to this list if need be :)
Reserve phone usage for media and press enquiries and other business needs
only. Content issues should be dealt with in writing.
Cheers,
-j
David Gerard a écrit:
Anthere (anthere9(a)yahoo.com) [050513 03:34]:
While I would just not answer anything at all, the
problem is that he is
calling by phone Terry. And while it is easy not to answer a mail, it is
not so easy not to answer a phone call.
She asks him to hereby stop calling and write a proper legal threat (on
paper, from proper lawyer, signed for, etc.) if he has one to make. He
keeps calling, it's harassment.
- d.
You have a point...
We might suggest that he (Terry is a man...) record the discussions...
Ant
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 22:20:59 +0100 (BST)
From: "Tony Sidaway" <minorityreport(a)bluebottle.com>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Corrected (Wollmann)
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Ray Saintonge said:
If Mr. Wollmann thinks that he has a case let him go ahead with it, and
show us that he means more than simply to intimidate. We can easily
promise that when we receive the court documents in the case we will
reconsider our position in the matter. This may or may not result in a
removal of what he finds offensive from the site. Meanwhile it will
have been very costly for him to mount his case with no prospects of
recovering those costs.
Well, Wikipedia probably wouldn't be vulnerable, but where individuals are
involved he could get a default judgement in a plaintiff-friendly UK court
for a no-show defendant in the US, with costs awarded (which is very
common in UK cases), and then use that as leverage in the US. This
technique has been tried against Usenet posters and worked well. Since
Wikipedia content is produced by individuals who are often identifiable it
would probably work as well on Wikipedia.
He may have to demonstrate standing to sue in UK courts, but that could be
as simple as selling books through Amazon.co.uk--which Wollmann does, as
it happens.
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 22:24:07 +0100 (BST)
From: "Tony Sidaway" <minorityreport(a)bluebottle.com>
Subject: RE: [WikiEN-l] Re: Corrected (Wollmann)
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Poor, Edmund W said:
Why not write a Wikipedia about Wollman, if he's
that fascinating? If
it survives the VFD process, than that might give us an excuse to
mention him via a link from kooks newsgroup. But if it fails a vfd
vote, that's pretty conclusive evidence that he's "non-notable".
Been there, done that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Edmond_Wollmann
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