On 7/20/06, Nathan <lists(a)home.nathanr.com> wrote: He'd need them either as animated GIFs or as Ogg/Theora. (Animated gifs work inline, but stink for anything with many colors) :)

Oh. Well crap, what you require is some editing tools to edit stuff out before conversion. I can't do that :\ - Nathan

On 7/20/06, Nathan <lists(a)home.nathanr.com> wrote: He'd need them either as animated GIFs or as Ogg/Theora. (Animated gifs work inline, but stink for anything with many colors) :) _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

On 7/21/06, Nathan <lists(a)home.nathanr.com> wrote: Fuss? Huh. If you want to send me the .avi I can edit out whatever needs to be edited out, and covert to Theora. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

On 7/21/06, Nathan <lists(a)home.nathanr.com> wrote: Not AVI, AVI is propritary and most of the codecs for it (including all of the good ones) are patented to hell and back. The final target needs to be Ogg/Theora. ffmpeg2theora is a nice tool for taking other video formats and spitting out Theora. Your avi should be encoded as losslessly as possible, ideally YUV 4:2:2 (which most windows apps will read but most don't offer to let you write), RAW frames (which most windows apps will not read or write), or failing those options 20+mbit/sec MPEG2 (which, yes, you can encap in AVI). If your toolchain doesn't support Ogg/Theora, feel free to send me an AVI (encoded as per above). _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

The XviD codec is very much patent encumbered. No free mpeg4 codec can exist in the near future. The situation for XviD is actually much worse than MP3. mpeg4 codec licensing is a huge expensive mess. Fortunately Theora has competitive quality/bitrate with mpeg4.

I'm getting rather sick of the argument, myself. A program called "SUPER" (for Windows) can convert it to any format (even *cringe* OGG/Theora - though I personally don't understand why not to use DivX or XviD as they're widely available, closed source or not - I guess it's a "your mileage may vary" type of issue - I go with codecs that are widely available). It has its own codecs so it's not dependant on the ones on your system. You can get it at http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html It can absolutely convert to OGG/Theora if you want to go with that recommendation. In case you ask why I didn't suggest it before, I just found it last night. Just install, wait a little while for it to install, then run. It's simple stuff and straightforward. - Nathan

On 7/22/06, Nathan <lists(a)home.nathanr.com> wrote: Then why did you said you'd convert it then fail to do so?!?! I'm not arguing, I'm telling you what format it must be in in order to upload the files to Wikipedia. I'd offered to convert it myself, but doing so would require non-trivial effort on the shockwave side from me... since you said you had tools to do it, I figured I'd let you do it. When it sounded like you might not know how to convert an AVI that your tools produced to Ogg/Theora I offered to do that for you. I don't see what the problem is... Are you going to convert the file to at least AVI? Or should I figure out how to do it? _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

I'm completely confused by you. I have no idea why you think that there is any sort of argument going on. I've just been answering questions and I see you jumping up and down about an argument .. and I'm just totally baffled. If you need any help with Theora encoding, just let me know.

All of this is very interesting (and believe it or not, I'm not being sarcastic). However, can anyone actually help convert these SWFs? I've installed ffmpeg2theora, but that seems to only change the question to "how do I convert a SWF to MPEG2?"

AIUI, there is no such thing as an SWF video format, and the SWF is just a container to allow portability and some play control buttons. Use some kind of SWF decompiler, and the video inside will be in something easy enough to convert.

The license is {{PD-USGov-Military-Navy}}, created by an employee of the US Navy during the course of his duties. I copied the SWFs from https://ile-lms.nko.navy.mil/Details.asp?CourseRef=32077 , a CBT course entitled "Surface Warfare Officer School (SWOS) Shiphandling."

On 7/21/06, Nathan <lists(a)home.nathanr.com> wrote: The XviD codec is very much patent encumbered. No free mpeg4 codec can exist in the near future. The situation for XviD is actually much worse than MP3. mpeg4 codec licensing is a huge expensive mess. Fortunately Theora has competitive quality/bitrate with mpeg4. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l