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David Gerard

6 Apr 2006 6 Apr '06

2:42 a.m.

http://fixedreference.org/2006-Wikipedia-CD-Selection/ 2011 articles, hand-picked and cleaned up. Only 1,000,000 to go ;-) - d.

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Matt Brown

6 Apr 6 Apr

2:50 a.m.

On 4/5/06, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

http://fixedreference.org/2006-Wikipedia-CD-Selection/ 2011 articles, hand-picked and cleaned up. Only 1,000,000 to go ;-)

A very interesting beginning, at least! -Matt

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Ben McIlwain

3:10 a.m.

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http://fixedreference.org/2006-Wikipedia-CD-Selection/ 2011 articles, hand-picked and cleaned up. Only 1,000,000 to go ;-)

That's a very nice collection, one thing I noticed is that they didn't include the full-size images and just went with the thumbnail-sized. This leads to some inconsistency (and some too small images), because as we all know, the size of thumbnails for pictures across Wikipedia is wildly inconsistent. - -- Ben McIlwain ("Cyde Weys") ~ Sub veste quisque nudus est ~

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Steve Bennett

5:37 a.m.

So, [[Paramaribo]] made their "Places" list, but [[Paris]] didn't. Hmm, [[Oakland Cemetery]] did too. All in all, a rather strange collection of information. Seems also that many places are actually in the "general knowledge" section, including, god bless it, [[Mount Osmond, South Australia]]. I don't immediately see the list of authors for each article? But goodness I'm in a negative mood aren't I... Steve On 4/5/06, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

http://fixedreference.org/2006-Wikipedia-CD-Selection/ 2011 articles, hand-picked and cleaned up. Only 1,000,000 to go ;-)

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Kirill Lokshin

11:24 a.m.

On 4/5/06, Steve Bennett <stevage(a)gmail.com> wrote:

So, [[Paramaribo]] made their "Places" list, but [[Paris]] didn't. Hmm, [[Oakland Cemetery]] did too. All in all, a rather strange collection of information. Seems also that many places are actually in the "general knowledge" section, including, god bless it, [[Mount Osmond, South Australia]].

Yeah, their choice of articles is rather strange in spots, particularly given that this is intended for "children between the ages of about 8-15". How did the Wars of Castro get in there? Kirill Lokshin

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Anthere

7 Apr 7 Apr

3:23 a.m.

Steve Bennett wrote:

So, [[Paramaribo]] made their "Places" list, but [[Paris]] didn't. Hmm, [[Oakland Cemetery]] did too.

Oooops. Strange indeed :-) All in all, a rather strange

collection of information. Seems also that many places are actually in the "general knowledge" section, including, god bless it, [[Mount Osmond, South Australia]]. I don't immediately see the list of authors for each article?

I rather agree with you here. It acknowledge wikipedia much more than authors since it recommands to go see Wikipedia to find authors.... No internet connection... no authors information. On a CD, this is rather sad. I will mention it to them for their next version.

But goodness I'm in a negative mood aren't I...

Yup :-) But that's a good project no ? Ant

Steve On 4/5/06, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

http://fixedreference.org/2006-Wikipedia-CD-Selection/ 2011 articles, hand-picked and cleaned up. Only 1,000,000 to go ;-)

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Steve Bennett

1:39 p.m.

On 4/6/06, Anthere <Anthere9(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

But that's a good project no ?

Yes, but to rain just once more on its parade, am I to understand they "clean up" the articles before dumping them on CD? Would it not be better to "clean up" the articles at Wikipedia, so everyone else can benefit too? Steve

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Matt Brown

2:05 p.m.

On 4/6/06, Steve Bennett <stevage(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, but to rain just once more on its parade, am I to understand they "clean up" the articles before dumping them on CD? Would it not be better to "clean up" the articles at Wikipedia, so everyone else can benefit too?

A lot of the cleaning up involved, as I understand, removing links to articles not included in the project and abridging some of the entries. Not really stuff we need. -Matt

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Steve Bennett

3:46 p.m.

On 4/7/06, Matt Brown <morven(a)gmail.com> wrote:

A lot of the cleaning up involved, as I understand, removing links to articles not included in the project and abridging some of the entries. Not really stuff we need.

Heh, ok. Yeah, that would be great, someone going around deleting all links... Are there many of these projects, incidentally? I only just came across the Wikiproject for WP 1.0, and a lot of the tasks seem to be the same...could lead to a lot of duplicated work, no? Steve

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Anthere

5:51 p.m.

Oh ! Talking about places... If you go to "places" on the list of pages... you'll find the article on [[Brazaville]] and the one below is [[Brussell sprouts]] :-) ant Steve Bennett wrote:

So, [[Paramaribo]] made their "Places" list, but [[Paris]] didn't. Hmm, [[Oakland Cemetery]] did too. All in all, a rather strange collection of information. Seems also that many places are actually in the "general knowledge" section, including, god bless it, [[Mount Osmond, South Australia]]. I don't immediately see the list of authors for each article? But goodness I'm in a negative mood aren't I... Steve On 4/5/06, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

http://fixedreference.org/2006-Wikipedia-CD-Selection/ 2011 articles, hand-picked and cleaned up. Only 1,000,000 to go ;-)

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David Alexander Russell

6 Apr 6 Apr

5:45 a.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 2011 articles? On CD ROM? The numbers of PCs with a CD-ROM drive but without an internet connection is probably not very high. Now if this was a _printed_ copy then it would be more useful to developing countries. The motives behind this are commendable, but I don't see it working in practice. Cynical David Gerard wrote:

http://fixedreference.org/2006-Wikipedia-CD-Selection/ 2011 articles, hand-picked and cleaned up. Only 1,000,000 to go ;-) - d. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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SJ

11:36 a.m.

4/5/06, David Alexander Russell <webmaster(a)davidarussell.co.uk> wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 2011 articles? On CD ROM? The numbers of PCs with a CD-ROM drive but without an internet connection is probably not very high. Now if this was a _printed_ copy then it would be more useful to developing countries. The motives behind this are commendable, but I don't see it working in practice.

This project seems quite useful to me. If you're trying to get a class of 50 students to browse materials at the same time, you may often find computer centers that have a few dozen computers but a flaky internet connection that can't really serve more than a handful of them at once; and without much of a 'net filter, meaning that it's hard to keep students on-task (why read an encyclopedia when you can play your favorite free online game when the teacher isn't watching?). Moreover, I like this small footprint; it makes it hard to get lost. Every link you follow is to another of these 2000 articles; you can find your way around the collected texts, and back to something familiar, without trouble. Wikipedia Proper makes it very hard to say "I'd like to spend the afternoon browsing general geopolitics; please hide all other links". I would love to see a dozen projects like this, each with a different focus... and we might benefit by encouraging these projects to improve the articles they select by editing and fact-checking, not only by [non-]inclusion. --SJ

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Sam Korn

11:34 p.m.

On 4/5/06, David Alexander Russell <webmaster(a)davidarussell.co.uk> wrote:

2011 articles? On CD ROM? The numbers of PCs with a CD-ROM drive but without an internet connection is probably not very high. Now if this was a _printed_ copy then it would be more useful to developing countries. The motives behind this are commendable, but I don't see it working in practice.

While recognising your point, there are countries, particularly in west Africa and south-east Asia, where having fairly modern generator-powerwered computers are available but a reliable telephone connection is not. -- Sam

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Arwel Parry

6:14 a.m.

In message <fbad4e140604051242m20ef8474g5be729d8eeedc42(a)mail.gmail.com>om>, David Gerard <dgerard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w(a)public.gmane.org> writes

http://fixedreference.org/2006-Wikipedia-CD-Selection/ 2011 articles, hand-picked and cleaned up. Only 1,000,000 to go ;-) - d.

Err, I've just taken a look at their article on [[Europe]]. I'm rather perturbed to discover that Satanism is apparently a significant religion in Norway... -- Arwel Parry http://www.cartref.demon.co.uk/

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David Alexander Russell

6:19 a.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 'These articles have been hand-picked from Wikipedia, tidied up (by deletion only, _not alteration_)' [emphasis added] Your example shows what a bad idea that was Arwel Parry wrote:

In message <fbad4e140604051242m20ef8474g5be729d8eeedc42(a)mail.gmail.com>om>, David Gerard <dgerard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w(a)public.gmane.org> writes

http://fixedreference.org/2006-Wikipedia-CD-Selection/ 2011 articles, hand-picked and cleaned up. Only 1,000,000 to go ;-) - d.

Err, I've just taken a look at their article on [[Europe]]. I'm rather perturbed to discover that Satanism is apparently a significant religion in Norway...

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Jesse W

9:15 a.m.

On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:42 PM, David Gerard wrote:

http://fixedreference.org/2006-Wikipedia-CD-Selection/ 2011 articles, hand-picked and cleaned up. Only 1,000,000 to go ;-)

I just want to say I think this is a great idea, a good and useful step, and something to be commended. I've been thinking that this sort of thing is a direction that re-users of Wikipedia content really ought to go in, and I'm pleased to see that they have. Jesse Weinstein

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Anthere
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Ben McIlwain
David Alexander Russell
David Gerard
Jesse W
Kirill Lokshin
Matt Brown
Sam Korn
SJ
Steve Bennett