On 3 November 2011 11:10, Carcharoth <carcharothwp(a)googlemail.com> wrote: There's also a widespread belief that "I shouldn't/can't remove them". I regularly see emails in OTRS saying "I've fixed X page, but the tags are still there, can you check it out"; I've seen it occasionally on talkpages as well, though it's less common. This may be because people believe - a) the tags are "official", & need third party review before they can be removed (to confirm the problem's gone); or b) tags are automatically generated, and that since they're still there after they've made changes, the articles obviously not fixed "enough" yet. Both beliefs are helped by the fact that a lot of people honestly don't realise the lead section can be edited - they use section edit links, and don't realise that editing the page is how you get at the "zeroth section" of the article. If you don't see the template when you edit, you're less likely to realise it's a template to be removed. - and even if you know about templates, if you can't figure out how to get to it, you're stuck! Working on the assumption that there are people who want to remove templates but are having problems doing so, one solution here might be to build on the (excellent) work that's been done with HotCat, and implement a "remove this tag" link on the template itself. Click this, you get a little line saying "are the problems still here?", click yes, and it loads-and-saves the change in the same way that a HotCat category change works. Thoughts? This would be one way to get our readers to do the triage and cleanup for us... -- - Andrew Gray   andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk