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dpbsmith＠verizon.net

17 May 2005 17 May '05

10:31 p.m.

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Speaking of explosives, should we talk of chemical measures in terms of moles (units consisting of a certain number of molecules, the number of which has slipped my mind at this moment)?

You're thinking of Avocado's Number, named after the famous lawyer. Two avocados is a yotta molecules (if you interpret "yotta" in the "binary prefix" sense of 2^80 rather than 10^24). A mole is a small burrowing animal in the family Talpidae, and their dentition does include molars. -- Daniel P. B. Smith, dpbsmith(a)verizon.net "Elinor Goulding Smith's Great Big Messy Book" is now back in print! Sample chapter at http://world.std.com/~dpbsmith/messy.html Buy it at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1403314063/

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Stacey Greenstein

18 May 18 May

1:35 a.m.

Avogadro. You're thinking of either a fruit or a Spanish lawyer..... UtherSRG On 5/17/05, dpbsmith(a)verizon.net <dpbsmith(a)verizon.net> wrote:

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Speaking of explosives, should we talk of chemical measures in terms of moles (units consisting of a certain number of molecules, the number of which has slipped my mind at this moment)?

Skyring

7:59 a.m.

New subject: Abusive editors who refuse to supply checkable sources

I'm just getting back into the swing of Wikipedia things after returning home to cheap and convenient Internet access, and I find that in one particular article when I ask for a checkable source for a questionable statement I'm met with a torrent of abuse from an editor who should know better. The discussion page may be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Government_of_Australia The background is that there are three opinions as to who is Australia's head of state, all supported by constitutional scholars. 1. The Queen is Australia's sole head of state. 2. The Queen and Governor-General are both heads of state, with adjectives such as effective, formal, symbolic, defacto and de jure used to differentiate the two roles. 3. The Governor-General is Australia's sole head of state. The popular belief favours the first view, but the population is generally ignorant of constitutional niceties. Most constitutional scholars hold some variant of the second view. The substantial monarchist following supports the third view, in an interesting twist of irony. I'm questioning unqualified statements supporting any one of these three views as fact, but instead of polite debate, I'm receiving puerile abuse. I don't think I should have to put up with this. -- Peter in Canberra

Charles Matthews

9:12 a.m.

New subject: Abusive editors who refuse to supply checkable sources

"Skyring" wrote

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I don't think I should have to put up with this.

I can't imagine why you think anyone on this list has anything fresh to add to this much-trailed content dispute, that has been exhaustingly aired here. (I don't say 'exhaustively', since I'm not up with this arcane constitutional point.) We were speaking of dead horses, I believe. Charles

Skyring

9:24 a.m.

New subject: Abusive editors who refuse to supply checkable sources

On 5/18/05, Charles Matthews <charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

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"Skyring" wrote

I don't think I should have to put up with this.

Heh. I was speaking of abusive editors. -- Peter in Canberra

Charles Matthews

9:45 a.m.

New subject: Abusive editors who refuse to supply checkable sources

"Skyring" wrote

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I was speaking of abusive editors.

This will be about Adam Carr, won't it? I'm no great fan of Adam's approach. It seems to me you are probably doing the pettifogging thing yourself, rather than trying to word the relevant page: just banging on about sources endlessly isn't a way to a meeting on minds. There is a policy on civility. If you think you have a case, you can take this to a formal procedure. If, as you say, you have been off WP for a while, you could also try to take a different tack to this matter of 'Australia as republic' - for example, let it ride and add to some other part of wiki-en. Since you show no sign of changing the record, I shall not myself read any more of these mails. Charles

Skyring

10:39 a.m.

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On 5/18/05, Charles Matthews <charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

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"Skyring" wrote

I was speaking of abusive editors.

Fred Bauder

1:41 p.m.

New subject: Abusive editors who refuse to supply checkable sources

This matter has been before arbitration (or perhaps just disussed at length on the mailing list) although I do not remember the details or even if we accepted the case. I just remember reading through a lot of it and wondering why the three perspectives you set forth could not suffice without attempts to impose a particular viewpoint on the various articles. I agree that there are problems with one, or probably several editors, who are not permitting the range of opinions on the matter to be expressed appropriately in the articles. Fred

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From: Skyring <skyring(a)gmail.com> Reply-To: Skyring <skyring(a)gmail.com>om>, English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 20:39:47 +1000 To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Abusive editors who refuse to supply checkable sources On 5/18/05, Charles Matthews <charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

"Skyring" wrote

I was speaking of abusive editors.

Clearly you didn't read the discussion page I cited. Nobody was talking about republics. I'm trying to remove incorrect and unverified material. Adam's position is that a combination of abuse, threats, and shilling beats verifiability. I disagree. -- Peter in Canberra _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Cormac Lawler

9:24 a.m.

On 5/17/05, dpbsmith(a)verizon.net <dpbsmith(a)verizon.net> wrote:

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Speaking of explosives, should we talk of chemical measures in terms of moles (units consisting of a certain number of molecules, the number of which has slipped my mind at this moment)?

So, in other words, it's the number of avocados it takes to fill a mole? 6.022 * 10^23 That's a pretty big mole..

Alphax

9:30 a.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Cormac Lawler wrote:

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On 5/17/05, dpbsmith(a)verizon.net <dpbsmith(a)verizon.net> wrote:

Speaking of explosives, should we talk of chemical measures in terms of moles (units consisting of a certain number of molecules, the number of which has slipped my mind at this moment)?

So, in other words, it's the number of avocados it takes to fill a mole? 6.022 * 10^23 That's a pretty big mole..

Or a very small avocado :) - -- Alphax GnuPG key: 0xF874C613 - http://tinyurl.com/8mpg9 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.' - C. S. Lewis

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ABCD

19 May 19 May

7:20 p.m.

A mole (abbr. mol) is approx. 6.0221415 × 10²³ molecules, with 6.0221415 × 10²³ being Avogadro's number. See [[Mole (unit)]]. ABCD On 5/18/05, Alphax <alphasigmax(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 5/17/05, dpbsmith(a)verizon.net <dpbsmith(a)verizon.net> wrote:

Speaking of explosives, should we talk of chemical measures in terms of moles (units consisting of a certain number of molecules, the number of which has slipped my mind at this moment)?

So, in other words, it's the number of avocados it takes to fill a mole? 6.022 * 10^23 That's a pretty big mole..

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