On Monday, September 12, 2005, at 11:54 AM, uninvited(a)nerstrand.net wrote: True... but as long as you have no approval process on images that are uploaded this will always be a problem. It's pretty good right now actually - you've got Carnildo and others making sure Featured Articles have good copyright stuff for their images. It's a dicey issue. It depends on a lot of things. I recommend actually contacting a real lawyer if someone's really concerned. What happens if one of those images are valuable?? Doing this without some kind of "undelete" mechanism could be really bad. How do you define "present day"? The only case for that and say, 10 years ago, is that doing it now might cause more bad press... but if you're going to do this you may as well just prohibit it altogether. Thanks, RN

On 9/12/05, uninvited(a)nerstrand.net <uninvited(a)nerstrand.net> wrote: Where exactly have you been trying to form this policy by working through the issues? So far all I've you do is rewrite [[Wikipedia:Fair use]], which was on the whole a good thing. (I thought there were a few problems with it, which I posted on the talk page for half a week before just changing the text myself since nobody responded one way or another. Nobody has yet to respond, one way or another.) I could be wrong, but it seems like you've nominated a whole single image for deletion along these lines in the last two weeks. If you think an image is a copyright infringement -- and doesn't qualify for fair use -- why not tag it as such and mark it for deletion? I'd be happy to chime in against people who blatantly don't understand the legal issues in question. You added your name to [[Wikipedia:Wikiproject Fair use]], which has been quite active in rewriting fair use tags (and deleting problematic ones), and is on the cusp of having a workable system for users to label suspicious/disputed/approved fair use claims. If you'd like to participate in the discussion, please do. There are a number of people who are trying to draw up guidelines and feasible plans. I'm not trying to sound snarky, but you're clearly aware of our project, so I'm taking your complaining to the list as being some sort of indication that you don't think it is in alignment with your goals or thinking. There's a list of people on the page who have all expressed interest and probably wouldn't mind being contacted if you had some issue you wanted a lot of interested and informed opinions on. After some time assessing things, I think a great deal of our fair use images are just fine. The vast majority of them are things like box art and movie posters and are low-res, used appropriately in articles, have no "free" replacements available, and don't deny anybody future profitability. At the moment we've been mostly concentrating on sorting these sorts of things out so that it's easy to see get to the more problematic cases. These things take time, of course, and the efforts of volunteers -- hence a coordinating project. FF