HI all Ive come out of lurk mode for a bit.  As some of you may have noticed, theres a bit of French nationalist (no offense to Anthere or any other sensible contributor meant) irredentism on the site has been for a while.  There have been issues on Clovis I (someone put up a coin with a portrait of Clovis that said, Clovis Ier, Roy de  France as proof that this 5th century Frank was a king of France.  Trouble is, heading in a language (reasonable modern French) is one of a couple proofs that the coin was much later proof that the French consider Clovis a French king, but not proof that he  *was*.  Lots of arguments on the talk pages similar to those on the list of French Monarchs.  Every time I think its safe to go back in the water Could somebody please have a look?  I wrote a somewhat lengthy (and in need of editing) intro that explains the controversy, but it has not been well-received by M. Delson.  Thanks -- Jules