This is a new thread to discuss CSD A7.
The Category for Speedy Deletion A7 is a menace. It is far too open to misuse. It should be replaced by something with far less discretion.
My question is: we need a banality threshold, but which one? We do need articles speedied if they are without redeeming interest. A7 is broken, and builds on the idea that notability (another broken idea) and its "assertion" can be properly judged by individuals.
What is there that can be put in its place? How can we better characterise "run-of-the-mill" ?
Charles
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From: Larry Sanger <sanger-lists(a)citizendium.org>
Date: Oct 3, 2007 2:59 PM
Subject: [Citizendium-l] SharedKnowing: invitation to join a new discussion
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PLEASE POST AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE ON MAILING LISTS, FORUMS,
BLOGS...THIS WILL PROBABLY BE OF INTEREST TO MANY.
Dear All,
I'd like to invite you to join an old-fashioned discussion list,
SharedKnowledge:
http://tinyurl.com/2cqwm3
This unmoderated (or semi-moderated) list will be devoted to well-reasoned,
polite discussion and announcements about the nature of online knowledge
production communities. It is open to everyone. I hope it might become a
central clearing-house of general information and free, open, yet polite
discussion about a cluster of issues that are of great interest to many
people, and of growing importance to society at large.
See http://tinyurl.com/2cqwm3 for more info. There, I have explained:
* Purpose of the list
* How to subscribe and unsubscribe
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* Core and example questions
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* Other encouraged posts
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To give people time to arrive, discussion will start in a few weeks.
I'm starting this list for several reasons. First, as a scholar (of sorts)
and project organizer, I have an active, practical interest in these topics.
Second, as I write and prepare speeches (something I'm doing a lot these
days), I would like to have a big group of knowledgeable, like-minded
friends to bounce ideas off of. Finally, quite honestly, I miss good
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them, ASP-Disc, was really great. I'd like to replicate that sort of lively
community.
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Brion is continuing to review the FlaggedRevs extension for security
and scalabilty. (He's already made several fixes.) Meanwhile, I've set
up a small demo of the extension in the configuration which I propose
we should use for the English Wikipedia. Please don't hit the server
too hard or I'll have to take it down. :-)
http://wikixp.org/qa/
(This is courteously hosted by the University of Bamberg in
collaboration with Open Progress.)
The page should pretty much be self-explanatory.
Thanks once again to the two main developers of the extension, Aaron
Schulz and Jörg Baach.
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I think we need to be aware of the difference between a suicide
/threat/ ("I am going to/I want to kill myself") and a suicide /note/
("By the time you read this, I will be dead"). I see no other
legitimate course of action in the latter case than contacting the
local police immediately.
******
I disagree. If we embark on the slippery slope of parsing these notes and
attempting to intuit their sincerity then we head into trouble. Maybe not
this time or the next instance, but eventually. In a worst case scenario
some editor who is sincerely and passionately *wrong* upbraids a genuinely
suicidal adolescent, who shortly afterward jumps out a window and becomes a
quadriplegic.
These situations are beyond Wikipedia's scope, period. Hand them over to
the professionals who have training and experience and access to social
services.
-Durova
About six months ago, I was dealing with a similar incident with a kid
in Chicago.
I spent two hours trying to get Chicago PD to take an out of town
emergency report; They normally only take local "911" emergency calls.
A city dispatch center operator couldn't figure out anyone who would
accept the report there. They finally told me to give it to my local
PD who would send Chicago PD a notification electronically. I think
Danny at the Foundation office also got it in that way ahead of me.
"Call the police directly" is fine, if that works, if that's possible.
Apparently it is not always possible.
Asking here or elsewhere on foundation or project lists or wiki or IRC
for help in such a real life possible emergency is entirely
appropriate, and we should not discourage anyone from doing so.
The rate of events like this is low, and even if it weren't, it's important.
******
I was the sysop who blocked that Chicago editor. If I had become aware of
the problem sooner I would have handled the police call also, and FWIW will
gladly do so upon request in the future if I'm online.
The first incident I handled was from an IP address last December. It was a
rather quick process to determine the location and run a Google search for
the appropriate jurisdiction. I ended up speaking to an officer from the
Pennsylvania state police. He was a bit confused at first, but once he
understood who I was and what I was reporting everything proceeded
smoothly.
We've gotten three different threats in the last ten months, which really
isn't all that frequent for a website that gets 40 million unique visitors a
month. When I first dealt with this I adapted some volunteer training and
experience to the situation. While I'm by no means an expert on suicide
intervention, a few basic principles apply:
1. All suicide threats deserve to be treated as serious until proven
otherwise.
2. People who threaten suicide but don't actually attempt it on that
particular occasion may be at risk for future suicide attempts. Appropriate
intervention may lead them to counseling and other social services.
-Durova
I've dealt with suicide notes on Wikipedia twice before and the precedent I
set was to notify the authorities as swiftly as possible and put a lengthy
block on the account. I stand by Riana's decision to delete the user
space. This type of thing is best handled with minimal fuss.
It isn't our call to determine which suicide threats are "legitimate" any
more than it's our call to determine which death threats are genuine.
Wikipedia's sysops manage a website with over 5 million registered accounts
and within any population that large, some individuals will be dangerous.
It's enough to know that some are and to understand we're not trained to
make the distinction. It's also best in these situations to take firm and
rapid action quietly: when a large enough population becomes aware of this
the probability approaches one that somebody will do something really
foolish.
-Durova
> Yes, good work, just calling the police and ignoring your sniff test.
> Sometimes responsibility is the only call.
And it's easy enough to call saying "I realise it might be a hoax, but
I thought I should call just in case." The police are used to dealing
sensibly with questionable reports.
- d.
geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> writes
> On 01/10/2007, Earle Martin <wikipedia(a)downlode.org> wrote:
> > On 30/09/2007, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 2)Literacy levels. India has a literacy rate of a bit under 70%
> >
> > Out of a population of 1.14 billion [1], that leaves us a mere 798
> > million people. Of whom (if we take a na?ve view and assume literacy
> > as a prerequisite) some 65 million speak English as a second
> > language... [2]
> >
> > > small pool to do the writing
> >
> > ...and over forty million of those people have access to the internet. [3]
> >
> > I don't think we're going to be short of willing writers any time soon.
> >
> Not our writers. Writers to write the local history books. Writers to
> write the detailed history of every train used on the Indian lines
> ever. Writers to write books on local football and cricket teams.
There are 22 million books in the National Library of India. Over 25%
are written in Indian languages. The library receives copies of 902
newspapers and 17000-odd periodicals, and has over a million volumes
of bound periodicals. [ Source http://www.nlindia.org ]
And do the states have state libraries with manuscript and periodical
holdings? Well, Andhra Pradesh does, even if the library doesn't yet
have a website, so quite probably they all do.
Anyway, you were saying?
Angus
This historic fact is not allowed on the main pages of
http://en.wikipedia.org/
Ustaše (Uprisers) - nickname for Croatian soldiers that drove out the Turks
from Croatia in the years from 1683 to 1689. [1] former Uskoks. Commanders
of the southern soldiers based in Dalmatia (1683) where Prince Franjo
Posedarski, Prince Jerko Rukavina, Dujan Kovačević, Ilija Smiljanić, Šimun
Bartolac and Stojan Janković (former muslim) Commanders of the northern
soldiers based in Ogulin (1685) where Baron Franjo Oršić, Baron Stjepan
Vojnović, Baron Ivan Gusić and Count Adam Purgstall.[2] The Ustasa army
numbered several thousand soldiers that later settled with there families in
the Lika and Krbava region of Croatia and are all found by name age and rank
in the Census of Lika and Krbava in 1712.[3]
1. Radoslav Lopašić - DVA HRVATSKA JUNAKA: Marko Mesić i Luka Ibrišimović
(Zagreb 1888) p 35.
2. Dragutin Hirca - LIKA I PLITVIČKA JEZERA (Zagreb 1900) p 66
3. Karl Kaser - POPIS LIKE I KRBAVE 1712. GODINE (Zagreb 2003) p 51-374
I am constantly deleted and blocked from editing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustase by,
1. User: Spylab
2. User: Rjecina
3. User: Kirker
4. User: Kuru
5. User: laughing man WikiProject Serbia.
6. User: Steel359
This is NO free Encyclopedia !
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I think I misspoke when I suggested you file an arbitration case, that should happen, only if reasonable suggestions to include information about former organizations with the same name are not handled appropriately, perhaps by disambiguation. It would not do to conflate information about a historical resistance movement with that about a contemporary fascist organization.
Fred
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Subject: [WikiEN-l] This historic fact is not allowed on the main pages of http://en.wikipedia.org/
This historic fact is not allowed on the main pages of
http://en.wikipedia.org/
Ustaše (Uprisers) - nickname for Croatian soldiers that drove out the Turks
from Croatia in the years from 1683 to 1689. [1] former Uskoks. Commanders
of the southern soldiers based in Dalmatia (1683) where Prince Franjo
Posedarski, Prince Jerko Rukavina, Dujan Kovačević, Ilija Smiljanić, Šimun
Bartolac and Stojan Janković (former muslim) Commanders of the northern
soldiers based in Ogulin (1685) where Baron Franjo Oršić, Baron Stjepan
Vojnović, Baron Ivan Gusić and Count Adam Purgstall.[2] The Ustasa army
numbered several thousand soldiers that later settled with there families in
the Lika and Krbava region of Croatia and are all found by name age and rank
in the Census of Lika and Krbava in 1712.[3]
1. Radoslav Lopašić - DVA HRVATSKA JUNAKA: Marko Mesić i Luka Ibrišimović
(Zagreb 1888) p 35.
2. Dragutin Hirca - LIKA I PLITVIČKA JEZERA (Zagreb 1900) p 66
3. Karl Kaser - POPIS LIKE I KRBAVE 1712. GODINE (Zagreb 2003) p 51-374
I am constantly deleted and blocked from editing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustase by,
1. User: Spylab
2. User: Rjecina
3. User: Kirker
4. User: Kuru
5. User: laughing man WikiProject Serbia.
6. User: Steel359
This is NO free Encyclopedia !
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