From what I remember Lydia presenting at some point was that the transition

Susanna, Did you read my mind? I have exactly the same questions!! For my own work on artworks where I am searching individual files for upload to both Commons and Wikidata, I have created my own tool to prepare an artwork template for commons at the same time as creating a new item on Wikidata (using quick statements). The only tools I am aware of are the ones Magnus has so kindly made available to use. Personally I use the "create Commons creator template from a Wikidata biographical item" and modify the output slightly to create a category as well, when I find artworks on Commons that are as yet uncategorized. Unfortunately there is no "Create a Wikidata item from this file with artwork template on Commons", but I would love to have that too. Maybe worth creating a wish for the wishlist survey on Meta for this? Best, Jae On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Susanna Ånäs <susanna.anas(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

Susanna, Did you read my mind? I have exactly the same questions!! For my own work on artworks where I am searching individual files for upload to both Commons and Wikidata, I have created my own tool to prepare an artwork template for commons at the same time as creating a new item on Wikidata (using quick statements). The only tools I am aware of are the ones Magnus has so kindly made available to use. Personally I use the "create Commons creator template from a Wikidata biographical item" and modify the output slightly to create a category as well, when I find artworks on Commons that are as yet uncategorized. Unfortunately there is no "Create a Wikidata item from this file with artwork template on Commons", but I would love to have that too. Maybe worth creating a wish for the wishlist survey on Meta for this? Best, Jae On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Susanna Ånäs <susanna.anas(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

This is definitely needed and there is some interest; the last discussion seems to be < https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2015/10#Add…gt;, while others are outdated: * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata/How_GLAMs_can_help_the_… * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Structured_data#Templates_t… Around January, Wikimedia Italia will need to upload images of some 900 items like this: http://www.museidelcibo.it/page.asp?ID=504246 I doubt our properties are standard enough to be available or useful to others; mainly I'd want to transclude the free text description of the item from Wikidata. (So that later even Wikipedia articles could use it if needed.) Nemo _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

As far as I know there is no working lua modules that deal with interactions with Wikidata (like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Module:Wikidata) as we are all waiting on random access or access to properties on wikidata for known wikidata IDs. Such Module would be a first step, it should be shared among multiple templates (Artwork, Creator, Institution, Authority Control, etc.), and it is hard to start without it. I think we should have a page where such tools and efforts are listed so we do not duplicate efforts. I personally like using {{Creator/wrapper|item=Q…..|wikitext=1}} on wikidata (see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Jarekt/a) to generate Creator page wikicode. It is not perfect but it is a great start. Jane, you mentioned "create Commons creator template from a Wikidata biographical item” Magnus tool. Can you link to it. I could not find one. Jarek T. (user:Jarekt) *From:* Commons-l [mailto:commons-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Jane Darnell *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 6:56 AM *To:* Wikimedia Commons Discussion List *Subject:* Re: [Commons-l] Wikidata data in templates Susanna, Did you read my mind? I have exactly the same questions!! For my own work on artworks where I am searching individual files for upload to both Commons and Wikidata, I have created my own tool to prepare an artwork template for commons at the same time as creating a new item on Wikidata (using quick statements). The only tools I am aware of are the ones Magnus has so kindly made available to use. Personally I use the "create Commons creator template from a Wikidata biographical item" and modify the output slightly to create a category as well, when I find artworks on Commons that are as yet uncategorized. Unfortunately there is no "Create a Wikidata item from this file with artwork template on Commons", but I would love to have that too. Maybe worth creating a wish for the wishlist survey on Meta for this? Best, Jae On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Susanna Ånäs &lt;susanna.anas(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I am trying to catch up with the discussion about using Wikidata data in Wikimedia Commons. Here are some questions that have come up with the work with our GLAM partners as well as thinking about the Map template. What is the current status of the Artwork & other metadata templates as well as Creator and Institution templates as opposed to data on Wikidata? Should I just encourage to place the same artist & artwork metadata in all of them + Wikipedia infoboxes, or could I focus on Wikidata and create snippets that read that data from Wikidata? What's the policy, are there Lua scripts and templates for that on Commons? What will happen if I try to create some? Cheers, Susanna, Wikimedia Finland, an eternal novice _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

As far as I know there is no working lua modules that deal with interactions with Wikidata (like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Module:Wikidata) as we are all waiting on random access or access to properties on wikidata for known wikidata IDs. Such Module would be a first step, it should be shared among multiple templates (Artwork, Creator, Institution, Authority Control, etc.), and it is hard to start without it. I think we should have a page where such tools and efforts are listed so we do not duplicate efforts. I personally like using {{Creator/wrapper|item=Q…..|wikitext=1}} on wikidata (see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Jarekt/a) to generate Creator page wikicode. It is not perfect but it is a great start. Jane, you mentioned "create Commons creator template from a Wikidata biographical item” Magnus tool. Can you link to it. I could not find one. Jarek T. (user:Jarekt) *From:* Commons-l [mailto:commons-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Jane Darnell *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 6:56 AM *To:* Wikimedia Commons Discussion List *Subject:* Re: [Commons-l] Wikidata data in templates Susanna, Did you read my mind? I have exactly the same questions!! For my own work on artworks where I am searching individual files for upload to both Commons and Wikidata, I have created my own tool to prepare an artwork template for commons at the same time as creating a new item on Wikidata (using quick statements). The only tools I am aware of are the ones Magnus has so kindly made available to use. Personally I use the "create Commons creator template from a Wikidata biographical item" and modify the output slightly to create a category as well, when I find artworks on Commons that are as yet uncategorized. Unfortunately there is no "Create a Wikidata item from this file with artwork template on Commons", but I would love to have that too. Maybe worth creating a wish for the wishlist survey on Meta for this? Best, Jae On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Susanna Ånäs &lt;susanna.anas(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I am trying to catch up with the discussion about using Wikidata data in Wikimedia Commons. Here are some questions that have come up with the work with our GLAM partners as well as thinking about the Map template. What is the current status of the Artwork & other metadata templates as well as Creator and Institution templates as opposed to data on Wikidata? Should I just encourage to place the same artist & artwork metadata in all of them + Wikipedia infoboxes, or could I focus on Wikidata and create snippets that read that data from Wikidata? What's the policy, are there Lua scripts and templates for that on Commons? What will happen if I try to create some? Cheers, Susanna, Wikimedia Finland, an eternal novice _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

Hey folks :) Just one really important distinction that you all need to keep in mind and that isn't entirely obvious always: We have different kinds of structured data related to Commons. 1) data about an actual painting of say Mona Lisa for example. This is and will be on Wikidata. It can be used on Commons the same way Wikipedia uses data from Wikidata. One example would be where the painting is located and who painted it. 2) data about a particular files like the scan of the above painting. This is and will be stored on Commons itself. One example would be who took the photo, what it depicts or under which license the file is released. For 1) we still need to finish some last pieces to make sure everyone gets data shown in their language. I hope we can solve that early next year depending on how hairy the problem still turns out to be. We've made progress on it already. For 2) we need to allow Commons itself to store structured data. We are doing groundwork for this and hope to make significant progress and a prototype for people to play with and give feedback early next year. Hope that clarifies things a bit. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

Lydia, there is more to (2) than just talking about the data stored in those files on Commons. Scans like the one you mention should link back to the Wikidata item. So there is a need to be able to add such Wikidata links from every file that refers to the image. So for example in this case below of a painting on Wikipedia, I use several images to illustrate the article, but this is a painting that has been restored and the before and after images are on Commons, but not in a dedicated category together : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Mark,_by_Frans_Hals I want to link both of these files to the Wikidata item, which is possible if I edit the artwork templates of both files by hand, but it would be nice to be able to update these with a mouseclick.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Susanna Ånäs &lt;susanna.anas(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: monolingual? Exactly. It really depends on what you want to do and on which pages. Depending on if you need arbitrary access for it or not you can start now already. No problem. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

I proposed the creation of the module here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Proposals#Create_Lu… . Susanna 2015-11-20 17:12 GMT+02:00 Susanna Ånäs &lt;susanna.anas(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l