On Apr 10, 2005 8:38 AM, GerardM <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
* What's
the hostname of the mail server?
pop.gmail.com
Note that this is an *incoming* mail-server. Your client will be
sending mail *out* through a different server, which I'm guessing is
the one provided by your ISP or some other server you use to connect.
Meanwhile, on Apr 10, 2005 1:45 PM, David Gerard
<fun(a)thingy.apana.org.au> wrote:
I can't send mail as being from dgerard(a)gmail.com
or
fun(a)thingy.apana.org.au through my copy of Thunderbird, which is sending
mail through mail.zen.co.uk .
Aha, that could be the problem - note that GMail's instructions refer
to you using
smtp.gmail.com
(
http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13285 step 10
onwards).
First thought: has someone set up SPF on the Wikimedia
servers?
That would make sense, because GMail does publish an SPF record, and
you are sending through the "wrong" server. The "correct" way round
that (according to SPF advocates) is to set up multiple SMTP servers
in your mail-client - if Thunderbird's interface is similar enough to
the one in Mozilla-MailNews, you'll need to click "Advanced..." under
"Outgoing Server" to add it, and then again under the "Server
Settings" page of your GMail account settings to use it.
To digress somewhat: As you may have noticed in the last paragraph, I
don't count myself as an advocate of SPF - it's heart is in the right
place, but it seems to break as many legitimate "tricks" of the e-mail
system as genuine abuses. I had to argue with my ISP for a couple of
weeks to stop them silently rejecting messages forwarded through a
private domain (yes, I should really be telling the forwarder to
change, but SRS looks even uglier to me).
Anyway, suffice to say that if someone *has* set up an SPF filter on
the Wikimedia servers, I wonder if it should be set to be less strict,
at least until such a time as more/most people have unbroken the
things SPF breaks.
[On a really technical note, GMail's SPF record seems to define
"everything else" as "neutral" not "fail"; it seems odd to
me that
this should result in such stern rejections but I guess I don't really
know the mechanics - "v=spf1
a:mproxy.gmail.com a:rproxy.gmail.com
a:wproxy.gmail.com a:zproxy.gmail.com a:nproxy.gmail.com ?all"]
[Now it will probably turn out to be something completely unrelated,
and I'll look like a right ninny for ranting on. Ah, well...]
--
Rowan Collins BSc
[IMSoP]