So would you say: hey, codes are fun, let's invent some new ones to give
some languages/dialect a space?
And then you would go to iso and say: hey guys - we have that neat code
... it is a bit messy, but you should adopt it since otherwise it is not
going to end up in software localisation etc?
Great point ... by not attributing a proper code you help those who are
against that regional language or dialect, because you prevent a code
from becoming official and you contribute to the fact that these poeple
will much a harder time to get software etc. in their language.
Sun is still at iso 639-2 and sooner or later will go to 639-3 and this
means for example that when it comes to languag code an "any code
language" will not be included. Software that works with such language
codes and locales will not be able to handle the fantasy code.
We are well aware of the fact that we require a lot - but please
understand also that by requiring certain things we make sure that these
languages really have a chance ... otherwise they would be confined into
wikipedia (that has some kind of relevance) and certain other less
relevant projects without even becoming the chance to reach an official
standing.
I'd say that by making such things sure for those small communities we
well do something for them: assure that their language has a real
chance. Well of course ... if the community then prefers not to have an
easy way to being reknown officially ...
Thanks, Sabine
Mark Williamson schrieb:
The problem with your POV is that it isn't shared
by the community.
When you are a member of a subcommittee, you don't necessarily have to
act in line with the will of the community, but the solutions you
advocate should not be in total opposition to what the community
believes to be reasonable.
You would likely vote to prohibit the creation of Latgalian using the
code "bat-ltg". The community disagrees with you, as you can tell from
the messages already sent. There is precedent in existing Wikimedia
projects to support the usage of such code. You will suggest code such
as "lat-ltg", which community and requester deemed unacceptable due
to its political implications, of which the current proposed code has
none (while the status of Latgalian is controversial as a dialect or
language, everybody agrees that it is Baltic, and thus the more
inclusive code is best). If a subcommittee is to work properly, it
needs to be formed of indivduals who are not only knowledgeable about
the topics involved, but who can aslo be expected to act reasonably
and (with a certain degree of latitude) in line with the will of the
larger community which they serve.
The current process for requesting new languages, chaotic and
imperfect though it can be at times, is wonderful for sifting out
minority views such as yours so that we are not forced to take a
solution which is unsatisfactory to the community.
Mark
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