So what is it? What is your native language? You said it was Moldovan,
I guessed it was French, and now you are telling me I have poor
English. Make a choice, sir.
Mark
On 29/11/06, Liviu Andronic <landronimirc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/29/06, Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know how organised it is, but there
is certainly a semi-united
effort against the wiki.
Normal. It is supposed to be so.
Most of the activity happens at the actual Wiki, with people blanking
pages and saying nasty comments on talkpages
Personally, I'm against such
practices. It's stupid and worthless.
, with very little of the
activity carrying over to wikipedia-l.
The thing is, Liviu's assertions simply don't stand.
Could you please zero
in on this. It's a bit vague for me..
It would seem
that the average Moldovan simply doesn't
care. There have been several
posts about it at
moldova.net.
Some people are outraged, others think
it is "cool", and others don't seem to care much one way or the other.
I didn't check the posts myself, so that I don't really cosider seriously
your comments.
The agitations we have seen in Wikimedia are mostly repeated attempts
from the same few people. Most of them are Romanians: Bogdan Giusca,
Ronline, Danutz, Dpotop, AdiJapan, Bonaparte, etc., all with varying
positions but all leaning towards the deletion of that Wiki.
Our lovely Moldovans here are Liviu, Vania (aka TSO1D), and Oleg
Alexandrov. Oleg Alexandrov took a very middle-of-the-road position
(he believed it should exist, but that it wouldn't ever work because
there would never be enough competent contributors)
Not exactly correct. Last time
I talked to him he was on a position (in my words; it's _not_ a quote): "I
don't care if it continues to exist or not. But if does, it should be on
mo-cyr".
BTW, as to moving mo to mo-cyr. I understand that it is technically not acceptable, but I
honestly believe that it would solve this controversy to an acceptable extent (that is,
very little probability of any more reports on this list). People are deranged by the
confusion: the language and script on mo.wiki is _not_ actively used in public life in
Moldova.
, but he seems to
have given up completely any involvement he had.
Everyone else has just popped in occasionally for votes, or to make a
single comment.
And "agitations", "lovely Moldovans" - you really have a problem with
choosing words..
Liviu
Mark
On 29/11/06, Liviu Andronic <landronimirc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'm starting to get the feeling that these
messages to the mailing
list are an organised campaign against mo.wikipedia.
I honestly doubt about the existance of "an organised campaign against
mo.wikipedia". Simply, there are people interested in this matter and that
are quite not OK with the current status-quo. And they present you with
their opinion.
There were three-four such sparkling discussions on this list, and at
least in two
cases the discussions were started by persons that I've never
seen neither on the list, nor on talk pages. And I'm advocating for a
status-quo change for quite some time.
When people see something wrong on Wikipedia (in their opinion of course;
not to be entirely neglected in this case, as it is the opinion of people
who
speak this language; I am yet to see one Moldovan publicly supporting
this mo.wikipedia on this list); so when there is something wrong on
Wikipedia, the first natural reaction is to report it to the mailing list,
with the appropriate arguments. So that I do not see anything wrong with
this. If this problem isn't solved in a year or two, it's quite normal that
reports will keep coming in. One way or another there will be people finding
out about this Wikipedia and writing to the list.
Moldovans never asked for this Wikipedia and they are quite negatively
intentioned
towards its existance. And it's about their language that we are
talking about. But then, they cannot do much other than report. They cannot
nor make a decision, nor implement existing decisions.
My brief remarks,
Liviu
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