On 6/29/06, Erik Moeller <eloquence(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/29/06, GerardM <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
If you want to be nice, you have to listen to the
arguments of others.
Absolutely. But being nice is a matter of cooperation as well :-). I
cannot praise Duesentrieb enough for his work on CommonsTicker, which
is really an excellent tool for Commons and local wikis to work
together. Magnus' tools are also great in bringing the projects closer
together.
Hoi,
When you use tools in stead of communication I agree, the point is
that the Commons community has in the past deliberately, pointedly and
repeatedly indicated that they are not interested in informing and
discussing proposed change to the Commons policies prior to aking that
change
Yes, do use all the tools available to you to make the process a
process of cooperation. But when policies are expliclitly enforced
without prior consultations you are wrong to call it cooperation
because you ask for operation.
Thanks,
GerardM
PS I only get pissed when I drink to much alcohol
Certainly, if there is a strong argument that Commons
should use
e-mail confirmation from people outside Commons, that should be heard
and given considerable weight.
It is also true, in general, that there are a lot of people who get
pissed when we delete images they upload to Commons, whether or not we
notify them. And of course they're right to be pissed when:
- we delete an image that is 20 years old and has no commercial value
- we delete a scan from a scientific journal, or a taxpayer-funded report
- we have to delete some images in accordance with peculiar national
copyright laws.
They are right to be angry and frustrated by the extent to which our
culture has become monopolized and commoditized. And while it is
understandable that they turn their anger and frustration against the
project where these unjust laws are enforced, we need to work together
in turning it against the lawmakers and the lobbyists that have passed
them in the first place. To what extent Wikimedia can become political
in these matters, I do not know. But it certainly should facilitate
political change and direct its tremendous community to the right
organizations.
I think a lot of tension we have is not the result of anything done by
Commons, but a result of the fundamental unfairness and imbalance in
international copyright law.
Erik
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