[Wikipedia-l] My apologies

Tue Jul 4 09:08:00 UTC 2006

The status quo is, in fact a compromise. It is a compromise because
the Romanian and Moldovan Wikipedias are both open.

And as Sabine said, vivi e lascia vivere -- why do you worry so much about it?

Mark

On 04/07/06, Liviu Andronic <landronimirc at gmail.com> wrote:
> No, Mark. The status quo is what you want. Not a compromise.
>
> Deleting/closing the Moldovan Wikipedia is - generally speaking - what we
> want.
>
> Moving the existing contents from mo.wikipedia.org to a certain
> mo-cyr.wikipedia.org would be a compromise. And, once again,
>  this compromise doesn't destroy anyone's work. Just as Sabine said: "Vivi e
> lascia vivere".
>
> On 7/4/06, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Please see the messages from Sabine Cretella.
> >
> > The status quo is the compromise.
> >
> > If you care about Wikipedia, it makes sense to take care of your own
> > instead of trying to destroy what others have built, which is exactly
> > what you are doing here. There is no reason for this to continue.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On 03/07/06, TSO1D From Wikpedia <tso1d at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Of course, a conflict requires at least to sides, and only leaving one
> > side standing would end the dispute. However, I don't believe that this is
> > likely to happen in this case. By the same token one could make the argument
> > that if you would disappear (as you are virtually the only active
> > contributor on mo) then viable opposition to the closure of the project
> > would cease and the admnistration would have to acquiesece. Nevertheless, at
> > this point, the unwillingness of some administrators to act on a resolution
> > reached almost by concensus (with few dissents), practically constitutes
> > endorsement of the current status quo, thus autmatically negating the
> > partiality claimed by them.
> > >
> > >   I agree with you, though, that simply closing the encyclopedia might
> > not bring about a complete end to the dispute, though you ability to reopen
> > the debate and subjequently the wiki will be greatly reduced unless you were
> > to produce a native speaker intersted in pursuing the project. For this
> > reason, I find it best if all sides could agree on one solution and
> > compromise if need be. For example would you agree to set up a
> > transliteration tool that would convert articles from RO to Cyrillic and
> > have that available at ro-cyr or mo-cyr (assuming the tool could be
> > perfected to funciton adequately)?
> > >
> > > Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >   The conflict will end if you stop making it such an issue.
> > >
> > > Without you and your friends, there simply is no conflict.
> > >
> > > Enforcement is not all that is lacking. There are many issues here.
> > >
> > > Currently, the position of those in charge seems to be to try to seal
> > > the situation off from the outside and let both sides duke it out.
> > >
> > > And who's to say the conflict would end if the Wikipedia were closed?
> > > I know that I would hold polls for it to be reopened, try to put the
> > > content elsewhere, etc.
> > >
> > > Until Bogdan and Jacky made an issue of this, it was dormant, nobody
> > > paid attention to mo.wiki except those who actually care about it.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > On 03/07/06, TSO1D From Wikpedia wrote:
> > > > In my view this is discussion cannot be viewed as separate from the
> > past ones on the topic, but rather the continuation (and hopefully the
> > culmination) of the issue. If such a resolution has already been made, then
> > what is the purpose of continuing this discussion and wasting even more
> > time. The only thing lacking is enforcement, and why souldn't that be
> > carried out in accordance with the general conclusion of the debate, whether
> > in the past or the present.
> > > >
> > > > I understand how some users might feel frustrated with the
> > continuation of the discussion and the war of words, however by not acting
> > the conflict will not end, and I believe you are actually giving tacit
> > approval to the project in its current state. I am sorry if others spent a
> > great deal of time looking at the dispute and now may feel irritated, but
> > others also were involved in this debate, to an even higher degree, and
> > simply stating that all this work was in waste as you do not intend to act
> > in any way seems a grave neglect of your duties and even a lack of respect
> > for those who have invested their time to try to find a solution to the
> > problem and find the best way to resolve it.
> > > >
> > > > Mark Williamson wrote:
> > > > Is this relevant to the *current* discussion?
> > > >
> > > > Everybody already knew about that. It was clear that that decision was
> > made.
> > > >
> > > > However, it was never enforced, and since then, you have taken against
> > > > yourselves by turning the heat up where it was absolutely not
> > > > necessary and making everyone stop caring.
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > On 03/07/06, Jacky PB wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to apologize to all of you for my
> > > > > interventions here. I just missed an e-mail of anthere
> > > > > more than 6 months old.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2006-March/043897.html
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > My only excuse is that it happened on another thread
> > > > > than the one I followed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yours,
> > > > > :en:Dpotop, :ro:Dpotop
> > > > >
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