[Wikipedia-l] My apologies

Tue Jul 4 07:28:26 UTC 2006

Let me elaborate.

When there is clearly so much work still to be done on the Romanian
Wikipedia, why are you wasting your time trying to get a small
Wikipedia deleted?

All the time you have spent so far on this, is wasted, you could have
put it to much better use to do something constructive.

For example, why not take a page from
http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Shortpages and make it better?
There are thousands of pages on the Romanian Wikipedia which need
attention and expansion.

Why not focus on making ro.wp a world-class encyclopaedia, instead of
wasting your time trying to destroy mo.wp?

It is best that we all work to create, when one of us works to
destroy, we are not gaining anything.

Mark

On 04/07/06, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:
> Please see the messages from Sabine Cretella.
>
> The status quo is the compromise.
>
> If you care about Wikipedia, it makes sense to take care of your own
> instead of trying to destroy what others have built, which is exactly
> what you are doing here. There is no reason for this to continue.
>
> Mark
>
> On 03/07/06, TSO1D From Wikpedia <tso1d at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Of course, a conflict requires at least to sides, and only leaving one side standing would end the dispute. However, I don't believe that this is likely to happen in this case. By the same token one could make the argument that if you would disappear (as you are virtually the only active contributor on mo) then viable opposition to the closure of the project would cease and the admnistration would have to acquiesece. Nevertheless, at this point, the unwillingness of some administrators to act on a resolution reached almost by concensus (with few dissents), practically constitutes endorsement of the current status quo, thus autmatically negating the partiality claimed by them.
> >
> >   I agree with you, though, that simply closing the encyclopedia might not bring about a complete end to the dispute, though you ability to reopen the debate and subjequently the wiki will be greatly reduced unless you were to produce a native speaker intersted in pursuing the project. For this reason, I find it best if all sides could agree on one solution and compromise if need be. For example would you agree to set up a transliteration tool that would convert articles from RO to Cyrillic and have that available at ro-cyr or mo-cyr (assuming the tool could be perfected to funciton adequately)?
> >
> > Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:
> >   The conflict will end if you stop making it such an issue.
> >
> > Without you and your friends, there simply is no conflict.
> >
> > Enforcement is not all that is lacking. There are many issues here.
> >
> > Currently, the position of those in charge seems to be to try to seal
> > the situation off from the outside and let both sides duke it out.
> >
> > And who's to say the conflict would end if the Wikipedia were closed?
> > I know that I would hold polls for it to be reopened, try to put the
> > content elsewhere, etc.
> >
> > Until Bogdan and Jacky made an issue of this, it was dormant, nobody
> > paid attention to mo.wiki except those who actually care about it.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On 03/07/06, TSO1D From Wikpedia wrote:
> > > In my view this is discussion cannot be viewed as separate from the past ones on the topic, but rather the continuation (and hopefully the culmination) of the issue. If such a resolution has already been made, then what is the purpose of continuing this discussion and wasting even more time. The only thing lacking is enforcement, and why souldn't that be carried out in accordance with the general conclusion of the debate, whether in the past or the present.
> > >
> > > I understand how some users might feel frustrated with the continuation of the discussion and the war of words, however by not acting the conflict will not end, and I believe you are actually giving tacit approval to the project in its current state. I am sorry if others spent a great deal of time looking at the dispute and now may feel irritated, but others also were involved in this debate, to an even higher degree, and simply stating that all this work was in waste as you do not intend to act in any way seems a grave neglect of your duties and even a lack of respect for those who have invested their time to try to find a solution to the problem and find the best way to resolve it.
> > >
> > > Mark Williamson wrote:
> > > Is this relevant to the *current* discussion?
> > >
> > > Everybody already knew about that. It was clear that that decision was made.
> > >
> > > However, it was never enforced, and since then, you have taken against
> > > yourselves by turning the heat up where it was absolutely not
> > > necessary and making everyone stop caring.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > On 03/07/06, Jacky PB wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I would like to apologize to all of you for my
> > > > interventions here. I just missed an e-mail of anthere
> > > > more than 6 months old.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2006-March/043897.html
> > > >
> > > > My only excuse is that it happened on another thread
> > > > than the one I followed.
> > > >
> > > > Yours,
> > > > :en:Dpotop, :ro:Dpotop
> > > >
> > > >
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