[Wikipedia-l] recipes

Thu Jan 20 00:02:07 UTC 2005

My main problem with the transwiki'ing thing is that Wikibooks has
considerably different rules, where the major contributors to a
specific "book" get more say in what can go in and what cannot, or
what they want it to look like.

I personally think that is downright antiwiki, but when I tried to get
involved I was met with stiff opposition from Gentgeen who is obsessed
about territorialism and the like, and said that the current antiwiki
policy had been decided by "community consensus".

Among other things decided on Wikibooks by "community consensus", at
least one addition to [[b:en:What Wikibooks is not]] was added by
"consensus" with the final poll results being 1-0, Gentgeen having
been the only one to vote for it. In addition, voting by Wikipedians
in matters such as VfD, VfU, RfA, and just about anything else is
completely disregarded by Gentgeen unless they are "regular"
contributors to Wikibooks, although notably he DOES count them when it
benefits his position.

The current policy on Wikibooks is tantamount to me saying on
Wikipedia "OK, I wrote this article, so since I'm the main
contributor, I have a large amount of control over what goes".

Mark

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:58:23 +0100, Anthere <anthere9 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I discovered today that recipes are now legally deleted from the english
> wikipedia where they are not welcome any more.
> 
> Still, I had the memory there was no clear agreement on doing so, and
> for months, there was a sort of balance with removing all those of minor
> dishes, while keeping those from typical ones.
> 
> When I tried to make a policy on the topic, clearly, there was no
> agreement. Neither to keep, neither to delete. Mostly two factions.
> 
> Today, I realised all had been deleted. I restored one and was
> immediately reverted by Gentgeen (of course, he is the one who deleted
> them) and he pointed to me a policy on "what Wikipedia is not".
> 
> On this page, it is written that recipes should not be kept in
> Wikipedia. So, now, Gentgeen has a argument to revert me, and possibly
> even the right to block me if I restore a recipe.
> 
> My question :
> 
> * why is it so that rules are written in the big book (what wikipedia is
> not) which makes reference, while these rules are not widely agreed on
> the project ? If not agreed but by a couple of bold people, should they
> be used to revert the others ?
> 
> I realised the recipes were not welcome any more at all today, because a
> couple of french people wish to delete them as well on the french
> wikipedia. And one of their arguments is that the english wikipedia
> decided to delete them (and so, they must be right !).
> 
> I removed the rule as is now, and asked the editor who initially added
> it to show me where this was supported initially.
> 
> Ant
> 
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