Reputation (was Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Quenya language request, and Chinese Wikipedia again)

Wed Feb 23 07:17:55 UTC 2005

Mark,
For your information, I have been trying quietly to find someone to 
create the Ossetian wikipedia. I have been refused several times because 
they are nauseated by all the huha around it. Literally: you are 
involved so it must be controversial. I have already spoken with someone 
on the board and they say "ask someone as it fullfills the requirements".

So I do not care that much what you say but at this moment you have the 
Midas touch in reverse; everything you touch is considered shit.

Groetjes,
    GerardM

Mark Williamson wrote:

>Oh, and I know I can at times be irritating and condescending
>(although this isn't usually intentional, and when it is, well, you'd
>better watch out). But when somebody makes a point of telling me
>something they dislike specifically or warns me about something about
>them, I don't go flagrantly violating it.
>
>Everybody can be irritating, but it takes a true master to send a
>condescending message of advice to one who has in the past said he
>doesn't much appreciate advice (I have enough advice as it is -
>believe me, I've heard all of this before), especially when it's
>delivered in such a manner.
>
>Mark
>
>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:25:17 -0700, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>I didn't say he didn't have a good point. I just said the method of
>>delivery wasn't good.
>>
>>So it wasn't entirely lost on me, I just got a bit pissed at Stan for
>>the way he said it.
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 01:17:42 -0500, Olve Utne <utne at nvg.org> wrote:
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>>
>>>Dear Mark W.,
>>>
>>>At 05:09 23/02/2005 +0000, Mark Williamson wrote to Stan Shebs:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>"Thanks" for the advice.
>>>>
>>>>I have some for you, too - cool off a bit, and quit acting so
>>>>condescending. It's very irritating, even in small doses. And as I have
>>>>noted before, while friendly advice is usually appreciated by me, when it
>>>>is given in a tone like this it really doesn't help anybody.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>As someone who has supported you before (even though I have no way of
>>>telling whether you appreciated it), I ask you to break a little bit there
>>>-- Stan Shebs' advice wasn't *that* bad, actually... It is easy for us all
>>>to sound a bit condescending at times (and you probably think I sound
>>>condescending right now), but you sound more than a bit condescending (and,
>>>frankly, a bit irritating (since you brought up that term)) yourself at
>>>times, you know ....
>>>
>>>I think this may be a good time for you to step back a bit and rethink your
>>>debating strategies.
>>>
>>>Listen to Stan -- and give what he said some thought. It won't hurt. You
>>>don't need to post all your thoughts about it here (or anywhere else, at
>>>that) -- but please try to listen. Maybe you find that he isn't right. But
>>>in that case, maybe you could make your own life easier by finding out
>>>why/how people misunderstand you -- and then find ways of avoiding these
>>>misunderstandings...?
>>>
>>>I appreciate very much your struggle for "small"-language wikipedias, Mark.
>>>I have also seen you contribute in many other great ways., and I hope that
>>>you will continue the struggle for Wikipedia to become ever more democratic
>>>and diverse within the limits of truth and humanism. But in this struggle,
>>>one needs both a strong conviction AND a level of humility (!) and
>>>flexibility (!!!) that allows people not to be driven away from the good cause.
>>>
>>>I have defended you before, and will be happy to do so again as long as I
>>>see that you do positive things for Wikipedia. But sometimes it is time to
>>>listen and learn for all of us -- even for you.
>>>
>>>Respectfully,
>>>
>>>Olve
>>>
>>>
>>>___________________
>>>
>>>Olve Utne
>>>http://utne.nvg.org
>>>
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