[Wikipedia-l] Re: contributions to HU wiki

Thu Jun 3 07:58:00 UTC 2004

If this description of the situation is correct, I see no reason to
interfere. In fact, I just wished problems would work this way more
times. Grin has problems with an article. He says what his problems
are. Bögöly answers to the objections. That's the way such things
should be solved - discussion. Demanding that Grin just lets his
objections be would be just as wrong as it would for him to censor
the article. Instead, the objections should be discussed in a way
aimed at getting agreement. I don't think that what happened here
is further from that ideal than most other discussions on Wikipedia.

Andre Engels

"Ralesk Ne'vennoyx" <ralesk at livejournal.com> schrieb:
> Situation.  User:Bögöly has been writing an article under their User 
> area.  The article was going to be about dictionary.  According to the 
> content -- which is quite freeworded at parts, not written in 
> "officialspeek" if you get me -- this is a quite good definition for 
> what is a dictionary.  At this point I do not see why Grin so adamantly 
> (later in the discussion) stood up for the point that Wikipedia is not a 
> dictionary.  How else should one write an encyclopaedia entry on a 
> 'dictionary' if not by defining what all kinds of dictionaries exist?
> 
> Anyway, from the discussion, I see a misunderstanding, or as we would 
> say "egymás mellett elbeszélni".  Grin was wondering about the 
> following: why not write the article in the article space, where it 
> belongs; who would be interested in this article and why would it belong 
> here (as wikipedia is not a dictionary); and third, he didn't really 
> look but wonders whether Bögöly wrote this or not (and hopes they did, 
> else he would have to go and erase after them).  But anyway, if it makes 
> Bögöly feel good, they can continue their secret whatever, Grin just 
> doesn't understand why it is being done here.
> 
> Bögöly replies:  This is a stub for an article, and it has been said 
> that such may be developed in the Sandbox or the userspace, thus Bögöly 
> decided their stubs would be developed in userspace [and when the 
> content is agreed upon, it would be moved to articlespace -- translator 
> guessing from questions placed directly after the two article stubs, 
> directed towards the readership].  Why does Grin regard this some 
> "secret project"?  Bögöly is aware of the difference between WP and 
> Wiktionary, and points out there exists a WP article on 'dictionary' in 
> the English Wikipedia.
> 
> 
> My humble conclusion is that Grin is a bit overprotective about the 
> content put on WP and assumes that people are completely unaware of the 
> rules regarding copying.  I do see why he is being regarded as paranoid 
> in the other post.  Bögöly, meanwhile, misunderstood Grin's intention 
> and took it tougher than they should have.