[Wikipedia-l] Re: image copyright

Mon Feb 16 08:59:37 UTC 2004

Hi Anthere and all,

> Brion Vibber a écrit:
>> On Feb 15, 2004, at 19:44, Anthere wrote:
>>
>>> By the way, is it okay that I relicense all the images I offered
>>> wikipedia as copyright by Anthere with permission, with a link to my
>>> user page, instead of under gfdl ?

No, that's not OK. Permission from the author means permission to put the
image under GFDL. And as said Brion, that's may not even but legal for
images already on Wikipedia.

>> Keep in mind that if you were to withdraw the GFDL license, the images
>>  would be removed from Wikipedia.
>
> I have doubts. Many images are indicated copyrighted, but that the
> author gave permission for use. And they are in Wikipedia.
> When we wrote the images copyright pages with Alex, this case was
> mentionned, and we have some images under that copyright. Again, we
> think that it is better than no image at all, and better than image
> under fair use.

And no, it is not better than fair use, it is worse.
I would tolerate fair use, because the law gives us the right to use the
image *without* consent from the author. I won't tolerate a status where
the author can change his/her mind at will. That's not acceptable for
Wikipedia.
And I would delete images under this kind of status.

> So, where would be the difference ?
>
> There is perhaps another possibility as well. That the description page
> of the image contains automatically the name of who uploaded it. At
> least, it would require that Anthony remove manually this information
> from all description pages before being able to claim copyright on them.

That would help sort out the images as I am trying to do on fr:
And I feature to list one's own images would be most helpful.
Or even to list all images from any author.

>>> Because, if I am glad to offer my images under gfdl as a recognised
>>> author, I do not agree that my images are now registered as under
>>> copyright by Anthony DiPierro, with my name gone, perhaps for him to
>>> make money over my work.

Now that's very bad. we should take this case (and others of the same
kind) seriously.

>>> I will now put all my images under copyright with permission for
>>> Wikipedia only. But can I do it with the old images as well ?
>>
>> Giving permission to Wikipedia only won't satisfy Wikipedia's GFDL
>> requirements for 3rd-party redistribution, so we'll have to remove any
>>  such images.
>>
>> -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
>
> We have thousand of images to remove then. Let's start now.

We should at least give a proper status for all images because a lot of
them may be used legally but we can't tell because there is no mention of
the source nor the status.

Any way, I hope you had nice holidays Anthere. ;o)

Yann
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