[Wikipedia-l] Some Straw Men

Tue Sep 24 12:07:42 UTC 2002

At 10:59 PM 9/23/02 -0700, you wrote:
>On Monday 23 September 2002 07:55 pm, Fred wrote:
>> No misunderstanding and no apology. But I do think putting deleted material
>> in history should solve the problem. As to evalating exactly what you have
>> done, that is your responsibility, Life is just too short to follow someone
>> around.
>>
>> Fred
>
>Do you ever have anything positive to say here or do you just enjoy
insulting 
>people you don't like (mostly me)? Name calling is a childish game played by 
>children and those with weak minds in an atempt to cheaply "win" an
arguement 
>they feel they would otherwise lose.

Setting up a few straw men to knock down and a big smokescreen of
obfustication is not much good either. I suggest you leave legitimate short
articles alone and continue to deal appropriately with problems such as you
mention below.

Fred

>
>With that said, I wouldn't at all mind the replacement of the deletion 
>function with a de-linking from the database function; When a page is 
>de-linked from database then all links to it would be replaced by an empty 
>link and the de-linked page would be listed on a log page (this would be 
>similar to Microsoft's Recycle Bin).
>
>Then all the micro-stub lovers could pick and choose at their leisure the 
>micro-stubs they wish to turn into stubs and the history of who first typed 
>the epic prose of "fill in", or "Pete Rose was a ball player. Jesus rules!" 
>or my favorite "I am the bomb and you all know that i am the bomb and you
all 
>know that i will always be the bomb regardless of what anyy of you have to 
>say about the fact that i am the bomb and about the fact that i will always 
>be the bomb"  will be preserved.   
>
>But then there is the problem of badly named pages that resulted from 
>typos or vandalism, such as the hypothetical [[DON QUIOTE LIKES CARROTS]] or 
>[[When Derams May COme]]. It would be silly to keep a page history, even one 
>hidden under an edit link, for a page title that will never become an
article 
>or even a redirect. 
>
>There is also the problem of copyright violations that need to be removed
for 
>legal reasons. 
>
>So unless the developers or the software itself periodically clears-out the 
>recycle bin by permanently deleting old de-linked pages, then there are  
>significant draw-backs to this plan. 
>
>-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav) 
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