[Wikinews-l] To stop using Wiki Commons as our default Wikinewsimage source

Thu Mar 10 07:44:12 UTC 2005

David

I perfectly know that *currently* it is not
compatible. 
I understand the current limits to uploads, and the
needs to discuss what should be and not be allowed on
wikinews. While obviously, we can not authorize all
fair use images for the reasons explained by Jimbo
(competiting with sources like AFP in particular), I
think some types of fair use images could possibly be
used by Wikinews. This would require that these types
are extremely well defined and strict respect is made
of these limits.

Use of a firm logo is not likely to make us in trouble
with other news sources, so that might be one of these
cases which might be tolerated. On wikinews, not on
wikicommons of course.

As for ESA, a petition is currently under way to have
it release some images under a free license.

Ant

--- David Speakman <david at speakman.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wikinews-l-bounces at Wikimedia.org 
> > [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces at Wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Jimmy 
> > (Jimbo) Wales
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:59 AM
> > To: Wikinews mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] To stop using Wiki
> Commons as our 
> > default Wikinewsimage source
> > 
> > 
> > Anthere wrote:
> > > One approach might be to begin to think of which
> types
> > > of fair use images could be allowed.
> > > 
> > > For example, when making an article about a
> firm, it
> > > might be authorized to use the logo of this firm
> in
> > > fair use.
> > > 
> > > For example, when making an article about a
> movie just
> > > making it for an oscar, it might be authorized
> to use
> > > a small representation of the movie poster.
> > 
> > I think this is a nice start.
> > 
> > In fact, it might be the right way to go as a way
> of 
> > constructing the policy.  A blanket "no" on fair
> use, but 
> > with specific holes punched through that firewall
> for cases 
> > that we deem to be o.k.
> 
> Although this sounds good, it would be in violation
> of current
> Wikicommons policy since movie posters are
> copyrighted by movie studios
> and not available for free distribution. So, when a
> movie poster is
> uploaded by a Wikinews reporter, it will mostly
> likely be flagged and
> deleted from Wikicommons since its use in a
> Wikibooks - or some other
> wikiprojects - would be a copyright violation.
> 
> You're getting a taste of my frustration with the
> Wikicommons-only
> approach for Wikinews. The situation is more complex
> and common sense
> says it should be. 
> 
> It gets worse - space pictures taken by NASA are
> public domain - and
> Wikicommons compatible. BUT space pictures taken by
> ESA or other
> countries are copyrighted by the ESA or specific
> universities - and are
> not Wikicommons compatible. 
> 
> We ran into this issue with the Titan probe. Some of
> the best pictures
> released were not Wikicommons compatible - so we
> could not use them,
> even though every news agency on the globe that I
> witnessed did use
> them. We, instead had to rely upon artist
> illustrations from NASA - not
> actual photos.
> 
> I highly recommend you visit this link:
>
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Copyrighted
> - where a
> user-created flag of the Commonwealth of Nations
> will most-likely be
> deleted due to non-commercial-use copyright
> concerns.
> 
> 
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