[WikiEN-l] Fwd: Completely unreasonable block and behavior by admin friends of Itaqallah to win a content dispute

Tue Dec 12 22:32:59 UTC 2006

Also, there's a pretty interesting read at AN/I. Forgot to link that, silly
me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Itaqallah_and_friends_lying

On 12/12/06, Luna <lunasantin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hm. I've had some private email exchanges with the user, and I've finally
> managed to calm him down, a bit. By preliminary looks through page
> histories, it looks like he *was* being pretty disruptive and edit warring,
> with a persistent failure to use talk pages -- but then, he wasn't the only
> one doing so. The full protection of the page seems more or less
> appropriate, as a means of forcing discussion.
>
> RuinedChozo absolutely must back off or cool down on his personal attacks
> and accusations -- if some of those complaints about lying and cabalism are
> legitimate, let such be revealed through an RfC or brought before Arbcom for
> consideration. On that count, I don't think I'm going to bend.
>
> I am disappointed, however, that the admins involved didn't put more
> effort into discussing things with this user. It's true that he's got a long
> block log, but I notice that most of the blocks come from the same "group,"
> -- in situations where I have trouble getting through to someone, I'd say
> it's better to try and find a neutral third party to talk things over, with
> the person.
>
> There really should have been more discussion from all sides. In heated
> disputes, repeating the same superficial arguments ad nauseam usually
> doesn't work -- why not explain in detail why you feel a particular edit was
> or wasn't sourced, unsourced, original research, neutral in tone, or such?
> Why wasn't more effort put into this, especially by experienced admins?
>
> I'm still looking, but as of this moment, it's not yet clear to me where
> the alleged block evasion took place. Anybody see something I'm missing?
>
> -Luna
>
> On 12/12/06, Parker Peters <onmywayoutster at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Parker Peters <onmywayoutster at gmail.com>
> > Date: Dec 12, 2006 4:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Completely unreasonable block and behavior by
> > admin
> > friends of Itaqallah to win a content dispute
> > To: Michael Bimmler <mbimmler at gmail.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/12/06, Michael Bimmler < mbimmler at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > 1. I'm not the list moderator. I'm merely reporting, so that we don't
> > > have 10 people asking "please moderate him"
> > > 2. He should maybe get a bit more calm... Words as "dick" and
> > > "bullshit" simply don't help your cause.
> > > michael
> >
> >
> > No, they don't. But the utterly dismissive attack rhetoric that's been
> > heaped on him, both here and on wikipedia? The fact that I'm the only
> > person
> > it seems who's even bothered to check the merits of his complaint?
> >
> > I can see where someone would start to get really angry, and throwing
> > oil
> > onto fire doesn't help.
> >
> > Parker
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