[WikiEN-l] Introducing a new mailing list

Mon Dec 4 18:51:39 UTC 2006

I can see that this new list will be separate, but will it be equal?

David

On 04/12/06, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/4/06, Steve Summit <scs at eskimo.com> wrote:
> > Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> > > I'd like to invite all my friends in Wikimedia to both decline
> > > membership in clubs build around overt gender discrimination
> > > and to reject their biases by refusing to give voice to their
> > > members in our overall community.
> >
> > Wow.  You're either with us or against us.  Shun the unbelievers.
> > Way to be inclusive there, Greg.
>
> I reserve the right to shun anyone who would unite under a banner of
> bigotry and I hope you will take some time to consider it and do the
> same.
>
> I didn't make my decision on short notice, so I don't expect you to either.
>
> It is, in my view, no different to create a woman-only list to discuss
> solutions to gender biases within our projects than it would be to
> create a men-only list to discuss solutions to irrationality within
> our projects. In both cases a prejudiced determination is made about a
> persons ability to productively discuss a subject based on an
> unreasonable application of gender stereotypes.
>
> Unlike affirmative action which can at least be argued to be a
> mechanism to reduce bigotry by encouraging collaboration, I see no
> fair justification for this act of segregation.
>
> If the opportunity had existed, I would have implored the board to
> refuse to allow the foundation's resources to be used for this sexist
> mailing list but I was not given such an opportunity.  I do, however,
> still have the ability to call on the rest of our community to reject
> it as thoroughly as possible.
>
> The examples of overt sexism that I've seen posed by people have been
> examples of mostly-outsider k00ks like Mr. AM. But here today we see
> what appears to be an offical, if only tacit, endorsement of sexism
> against men. The great irony is that now that we have within our
> community a concrete, intentional, and overt act of sexism to discuss
> ... our only list for discussing sexism is closed to the victims.
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David