[WikiEN-l] "Fair use" abuse on user pages

Fri Sep 23 01:38:08 UTC 2005

I did not mean to imply that one should "assume bad faith" in every
instance, of course. Yours sounds like a specific and worthwhile task,
one which could likely be identified as one which could fall into a
"good faith" category.

I'm talking mostly about the many users who upload likely copyrighted
media and plop some sort of PD or fair use tag on it without labeling
the source, and may or may not insert it into an article, and likely
have not searched for "free" alternatives of any sort.

And though I am very much against a media-centric mode of thought in
terms of fair use, I don't think US postage stamps are very high on
the list of copyright dangers. "Assuming bad faith" in terms of
copyright would only mean, as I propose it, assuming that, *in absence
of other reasons to think so*, users who upload copyrighted materials
are likely committing copyright infringement. I think what you are
describing is well within the bounds of the "other reasons to think
so", especially if you explained it to an inquisitive editor in as
sensible a way as you did on this list.

FF

On 9/22/05, Stan Shebs <shebs at apple.com> wrote:
> You could always ask, and if there are those for whom my upload gallery
> is not blindingly obvious as a holding/tracking area, I could certainly
> add a note to the top of it. Seeing as how I'm the person doing the
> physical labor of preparing the scan and postprocessing the image, I
> don't think it's too much to ask that my process be accommodated, rather
> than "assuming bad faith" as was suggested. I've been very conservative
> on deciding whether any given stamp image was PD or fair use - just
> deleted all the Israeli stamps on commons after researching their
> copyright status for instance - so it borders on the insulting to
> suggest that I don't take any of this seriously.
>
> Stan
>
> Phroziac wrote:
>
> >How would we know if it was uploaded in anticipation? Why do you
> >insist on having it your way?
> >
> >On 9/22/05, Stan Shebs <shebs at apple.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Kelly Martin wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Several of us are now speedily deleting nonfree images that have no
> >>>article references on the grounds that an image that is not being used
> >>>logically cannot be being used as fair use.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I would appreciate it if you would take the trouble to see whether
> >>an image was uploaded in anticipation of article use. For instance,
> >>I often upload postage stamp scans in batches, and it may be a period
> >>of weeks before I write all the articles that will use the uploaded
> >>scans. You're not doing anybody a service by deleting these beforehand,
> >>nor are you incentivizing me to create the articles more quickly or
> >>to write first and upload later - more likely I'll just stop writing.
> >>
> >>Stan
> >>
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