[WikiEN-l] This republic nonsense has got to stop.

Thu Mar 10 11:50:03 UTC 2005

The discussion was hardly a waste of time. We have explored a number of
questions and obtained feedback. But not enough to change the policy
regarding personal attacks or to back off from the principle that putting
one's eccentric views into an article is unacceptable.

We have also explored the possibility that the community wishes to give
"good" editors license to abuse "bad editors"; that anyone who disciplines
or complains about such a "good" editor will be responsible for "driving
them away" and that someone who complains about a "good" editor is probably
a "bad" editor.

Fred

> From: "Arno M" <redgum46 at lycos.com>
> Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:20:44 +0600
> To: "Thomas Haws" <hawstom at sprintmail.com>, "English Wikipedia"
> <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> Subject: [WikiEN-l] This republic nonsense has got to stop.
> 
> This is really gone out of control.
> 
> What seems to have very much happened that the wikien-l
> has become a tool for pushing a false view about Australia
> and in persecuting a long-time contributor who lost his temper
> at a person who persistantly pursued that view in defiance
> of all objective evidence to the contrary (eg quotes from the
> Australian Constitution). Other tactics seem to include the
> vexatious use of the no personal attacks rule, and general
> donning and brandishing of a martyr's cloak that its user was
> certainly not entitled to wear.
> 
> This is meant to be an encyclopedia, one that is frequently copied
> across to other sites. Its facts need to be reliable and objective
> at all times.  
> 
> This principle has become dormant in this whole affair. What he went
> through was disgraceful, and if Dr Carr leaves this site in protest,
> I can hardly blame him.
> 
> If there is a disagreement on this matter , clearly sources have to be
> quoted and discussed objectively. This has not happened in this matter.
> 
> I stand reminded of a certain user named Plautus Satire who would not stop
> arguing
> that everything was made of plasma or that the space shuttle was shot down by
> a laser, regardless of a lack of evidence to back these views. A similar
> insanity
> occurred here.
> 
> Its time it came to an end. Its certainly wasted enough space on wikien-l.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Haws" <hawstom at sprintmail.com>
> To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Abusive editors
> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 22:34:04 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> 
>> 
>>>> I think it's important to note that baiting users into making
>>>> personal attacks is even worse than the personal attacks that
>>>> ensue, however. -Snowspinner
>>> 
>>> Abusers often blame the victim.  Sadly, sometimes the victims believe them.
>>> 
>>> -- Silverback
>> 
>> In other words, baiting is most definitely not worse than abusing.
>> True that both are bad, but pointing fingers merely is a tactic for
>> deflecting blame.  Thou shalt not escalate.
>> 
>> - Tom Haws
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