[WikiEN-l] This republic nonsense has got to stop.

Thu Mar 10 06:20:44 UTC 2005

This is really gone out of control. 

What seems to have very much happened that the wikien-l
has become a tool for pushing a false view about Australia 
and in persecuting a long-time contributor who lost his temper
at a person who persistantly pursued that view in defiance 
of all objective evidence to the contrary (eg quotes from the 
Australian Constitution). Other tactics seem to include the
vexatious use of the no personal attacks rule, and general
donning and brandishing of a martyr's cloak that its user was
certainly not entitled to wear. 

This is meant to be an encyclopedia, one that is frequently copied
across to other sites. Its facts need to be reliable and objective
at all times.  

This principle has become dormant in this whole affair. What he went 
through was disgraceful, and if Dr Carr leaves this site in protest,
I can hardly blame him.    

If there is a disagreement on this matter , clearly sources have to be
quoted and discussed objectively. This has not happened in this matter.

I stand reminded of a certain user named Plautus Satire who would not stop arguing
that everything was made of plasma or that the space shuttle was shot down by 
a laser, regardless of a lack of evidence to back these views. A similar insanity
occurred here.

Its time it came to an end. Its certainly wasted enough space on wikien-l. 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Haws" <hawstom at sprintmail.com>
To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Abusive editors
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 22:34:04 -0700 (GMT-07:00)

> 
> >> I think it's important to note that baiting users into making 
> >> personal attacks is even worse than the personal attacks that 
> >> ensue, however. -Snowspinner
> >
> > Abusers often blame the victim.  Sadly, sometimes the victims believe them.
> >
> >       -- Silverback
> 
> In other words, baiting is most definitely not worse than abusing.  
> True that both are bad, but pointing fingers merely is a tactic for 
> deflecting blame.  Thou shalt not escalate.
> 
> - Tom Haws
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