--- "Lauri Love (nsh)" <lauri.love(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:28:02 -0800 (PST), Rick
<giantsrick13(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
But that's not what's being proposed
here. What's
being proposed is, if anybody coming into the
discussion thinks that the reason for the listing
isn't acceptable, they can just delete it from the
VfD
page. Why not just let it run its course, and
vote
Keep? Because radical inclusionists are afraid
they'd
lose the vote. ~~~~
I don't think that whether we have an article on a
subject or not
should be decided by <s>popularity contest</s>mere
majority/plurality
voting. Should there not be visible and
comprehensible principles that
decide what is encyclopedic and what isn't? I don't
think anyone (at
least with any support) is proposing that people
everyone should get a
VfD veto, which is what your post implied, but
rather that we don't
let adding to the VfD page be something that can be
done on a whim. If
popularity was any measure, we'd have a million
articles on celebrity
trivia (_not a bad thing in itself_) and no articles
in obscure areas
of mathematics, or history.
-nsh
The proposal is that anybody can come along and remove
a VfD listing if they disagree with the lister's
reasons for listing. We have lots of people (SimonP
for instance, who began all of this) who think that
"non-encylopedic" or "non-notable" are not acceptable
reasons for listing articles. But yet many, many,
many of the articles on VfD are listed for those very
reasons, and many, many, many of them pass consensus
vote. This is an end-run by SimonP and the people who
hold the opinions he holds, to set their, and only
their, approval on VfD.
I believe it was SimonP himself (forgive me if I'm
wrong) who, in his position as sysop, was making
personal opinions on whether or not articles which HAD
consensus to be deleted, should remain in the
encyclopedia solely because HE did not believe that
the reason for listing was valid, even though there
were sufficient votes for removing the article.
Instead, he was deleting the completed votes without
deleting the articles in question.
RickK
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