[WikiEN-l] This is backwards (was Re: 172 de-sysopped)

Wed Mar 2 13:34:15 UTC 2005

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> > 
> > This deference of the privileged to the privleged is apalling. 
> 
> You are missing the point. It's not a question of deference. 
> 
> >172 should 
> > have been desysopped the first time he unblocked himself. 
> 
> But _who_ do you want to decide if an admin should lose his 
> privileges? The community or one person (Ed Poor for example) 

This sounds like something that can be automated, turn the unblock command into a desysop command when an admin is blocked, so effectively he would desysop himself.

> >and desysopping is not as severe as blocking 
> > someone,which any sysop is allowed to do. 
> 
> Not permanently, sysops are only able to temp block people. 

He could be reelected, unless the arcom also bans that.

> > It might even be a good idea to sunset 
> > sysop powers, say every three months (although not all sysops at once) to see 
> > if the sysop can get elected again. 
> 
> I'm not sure that's a good idea at all. 

I can agree with this, there is already enough of a burden on the community with all the votes already, so participation is low, and making every sysadmin go through re-election would overburden the system, and the quality of the voting decisions is already questionable.  However, desysoping should not have a high threshold, because presumably, just occasionally would there need to be another reelection.  Hopefully the admin him/herself would realize they are not admin  material and not even run.

> > 172 had been engaged in other abuses of his sysop power, and had even 
> > been disciplined by the arb committee (as a user not a sysop I believe), 
> > but desysoping him (or her) should be been an easy and trivial addition 
> > to the discipline at that time. It is not like sysop powers are some right. 
> 
> I agree that sysop powers are a privilege and not a right. But I do 
> think that the AC or the community (via a RFC) should be the ones to 
> make the decision.  
Desysoping is too minor an action and abuse of sysop powers is too serious an offense to wait for the arbcom or community all the time.
Any serious mistakes can be corrected later.
            -- Silverback  