[WikiEN-l] The ongoing trolling

Thu Jul 7 20:39:29 UTC 2005

While I often find myself in the role of being the "go to guy" in
cases of nubie biting and admin misconduct, I have to heartily agree w
Jimbo regarding recent complaints on the mailing list. I have to say
(and I have said this more than once) these rude and tiresome
complaints about say... image edit warring on [[feces]] desensitize
admins to real problems and legitimate complaints.

So... if any of the recent complainers ''truly'' care about improving
the wikipedia, please go find some evidence worthy of an arbcom
case... or maybe, just maybe.. improve an article?

Jack (Sam Spade)

On 7/7/05, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com> wrote:
> Skyring wrote:
> > Grab yourself a sockpuppet account, dive into an edit war, start
> > correcting stuff and see what happens when other ditors don't know who
> > you are.
> 
> I'm sorry, but I would personally find this to be unethical behavior.
> 
> But I could be convinced to do it if you could show me some links
> 
> > Then try to forget that you are well-regarded and experienced here and
> > you have a great deal of power. Put yourself in the shoes of a new
> > editor doing what they see as the right thing and encountering
> > statements like this one: "I will revert you twice a day, for the rest
> > of history if needs be. Plus I have more allies than you, so your
> > attempts to restalinise this article must fail."
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AKhmer_Rouge&diff=14835971&oldid=14831760
> 
> But in this case, this response was absolutely valid.  Ruy Lopez was
> engaging in an ongoing campaign of vandalism of the article, and letting
> him know that we're more patient than he is, is exactly the right thing
> to do.
> 
> > This is from an editor, one heavily supported by admins and ArbCom
> > members, who manages to get away with the most shocking abuse, often
> > involving sexual connotations.
> 
> Please show me a diff involving sexual connotations?
> 
> >
> > Comments form an Arbcom member about protecting this editor, despite
> > his long history of abuse may be found here:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Skyring/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=17772684
> 
> This comment does not tell me anything particularly useful.  It is
> widely acknowledged, even by Adam himself, that he's often difficult.
> He doesn't cross the line, but if we put users on a spectrum of
> usefulness/difficulty, certainly he scores very very high on usefulness
> and higher than average on difficulty.
> 
> Adam has no special protection from me or the ArbCom.
> 
> > I'm not trying to refight old battles here, merely pointing out that
> > in my experience, thuggery, threats and hypocrisy are what a new
> > editor may expect if he gets on the wrong side of "the old soldiers"
> > here.
> 
> I don't see much evidence of that.  Of course there are better and worse
> examples of everything.  But what we're discussing is a handful of
> really wild accusations that people are randomly banned if they cross
> old timers, etc.  A lack of perfection is certainly something that we
> always need to be rigorous about examining... but hardly justifies wild
> trolling from users who seem to offer no actual evidence of injustice.
> 
> I appreciate you offering a few diffs, and hope you'll offer more.  I'd
> particularly like to see where you got the conclusion that Adam Carr
> "manages to get away with the most shocking abuse, often involving
> sexual connotations."
> 
> --Jimbo
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