[WikiEN-l] Re: Weyes

Tue Jul 5 17:06:54 UTC 2005

If its such a problem, you don't have to edit. Infact, you don't even have
to be on this mailing list, and the borderline, unjustifyable cases you are
bringing up are making people not want you to do either.

Now, i'm not sure who you are, but you've been repeating yourself for the
past couple of days and its quite clear that you aren't bringing anything to
this mailing list that we haven't heard and defended ourselves against
before.

The only case you seem to be bringing to us is the same old "Admins abuse
power", "Admins are evil", etc. messages which aren't anything new. Its
starting to bore people, to be honest, and unless you have any substantial
evidence to present about all of this I really doubt that your persistence
will get you anywhere.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Nony Mouse" <temoforcomments4 at hotmail.com>
To: <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Weyes

> >From: Michael Turley <michael.turley at gmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Michael Turley <michael.turley at gmail.com>,English Wikipedia
> ><wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> >To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at wikipedia.org>
> >Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Weyes
> >Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:43:16 -0400
> >
> >On 7/5/05, A. Nony Mouse <temoforcomments4 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > You know something?
> > >
> > > The behaviors of admins like Weyes could easily have become - the
"many
> > > admins, and even some arbitrators" (read: just about ALL of the
current
> > > Arbitration Committee as well as the now-retired "Red Queen") who have
> > > forgotten about civility and more generally about paying attention to
> > > Wikipedia policy - is what I've been talking about.
> > >
> > > But instead of seeing them dealing with the issue, I've been getting
> >almost
> > > nothing but nasty responses from the "go away we don't want to hear
> >about
> > > it" inner Admin clique.
> > >
> > > How does that grab you? What does that say about the current Admin
> >clique?
> > >
> > > A. Nony Mouse
> >
> >Your reply "grabs me" as considerably more critical than my own
> >message was intended to be.
> >
> >I don't see a clique, and I don't see any significant abuses of
> >policy, but I do occasionally see excuses for harsh conduct where no
> >excuses should be.
>
> I call it a clique because it's the same admins - time and again - who are
> the ones coming in and making excuses for the bad behavior of their
friends.
> And the favor seems to be returned.
>
> It's not just here, it's on Wikipedia in general. All we see on this list
is
> the tip of the iceberg, the very few users who cared enough for WHATEVER
> reason to take the option of last resort and appeal for the righting of
> wrongs.
>
> Instead of getting it, they're getting harrassment at the hands of this
> clique of editors who see nothing wrong with bad behavior and in many
cases
> encourage the bad behavior of their fellows.
>
> That's a problem. A BIG problem. Without this clique of editors, we
wouldn't
> have been subjected to expletive-filled rants by Kurita77 and Yoder. I
don't
> blame the newbies, I blame the clique of editors who choose to take an
> opportunity to blow off steam by repeatedly biting newbies until they blow
> up.
>
> A. Nony Mouse
>
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