[WikiEN-l] SHOWCASING Abuses of Admin Power

Sat Jul 2 15:14:28 UTC 2005

Oh give me a fucking break and stop lying.

"If you construct your messages with meaning and civility,
they will be readily accepted onto the mailing list, regardless of
what you are arguing. This moderation is to maintain respectful
conversation on the mailing list, not to censor your views."

Been there. Seen that. Once you have "moderated" someone, they're never 
heard from again. It doesn't matter if they send a one-line "I agree with 
user X" email, it NEVER fucking makes it through moderation.

This is ALL about censorship. You do it solely to ensure that dissent is 
never heard, the exact same thing you did to Marmot for dissenting about the 
way Admins cover up each other's crimes.

I'll freely admit that YOU could construe what I said as personal attacks. 
You know what? They were also the truth. Just as what I'm saying NOW is the 
truth, but you'll try to ban me for it anyways.

That's why I'm anonymous. Because I don't trust 90% of this list's 
membership not to go hunting through the Wikipedia userbase trying to find 
my account and block it out of spite.

Civility will be had when you start behaving civilly yourselves. The way you 
have treated Yoder, the way you have treated Marmot, and the way you treated 
Kurita77 were anything BUT civil.

Oh wait, I forgot. Policy only fucking matters when there's an admin 
wielding it. And heaven forbid that a user point out when the Admins are 
acting like a bunch of power-mad thugs, or even come to this list with a 
good-faith request to get their account back.

"I may be forced to make mailing list subscriptions by
approval only, which would have the effect of hindering community
participation in the mailing list. As I'm sure you appreciate how
undesirable an outcome that would be, I'm sure you will respect my
requests."

You've already destroyed community participation on the mailing list, so I 
don't see how I could do any more damage than you've already done. Like I 
just said, you'll get my respect back when you stop acting like a bunch of 
power-mad thugs and start acting like Wikipedians again.

A.Nony Mouse

>From: Mark Ryan <ultrablue at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: Mark Ryan <ultrablue at gmail.com>,English Wikipedia 
><wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
>To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at wikipedia.org>
>Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] SHOWCASING Abuses of Admin Power
>Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 17:57:17 +0800
>
>For the public record, this user is not "booted off the list". Rather,
>he or she is mdoerated, with postings to be approved by moderators.
>Here is an email I sent to this anonymous user:
>
>----
>
>You (and your other two accounts) have been moderated on WikiEN-l
>because you were rude and abusive to others. The WikiEN-l mailing list
>information page is at the following URL:
>http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
>
>You must have seen this page to subscribe your accounts to the mailing
>list. You will notice down the bottom it says "[u]sers who are
>extremely disruptive or uncivil may be banned from the mailing list by
>the [mailing list] administrators". As I am sure you will freely
>concede, your messages were very rude towards certain other
>subscribers of the mailing list. Here are a couple of examples from
>your messages:
>
>"you are nothing but a fascist hag anyways"
>"Give Gerard my regards if you can be bothered to stop fellating him
>long enough to speak."
>"running around like a complete fat fool"
>"you idiots spend your time jerking off"
>"power-mad cretins"
>
>In view of this extreme lack of civility on your part, you are hereby
>moderated on this mailing list. Any messages you now send to the
>mailing list will be held for approval by one of the list's
>moderators. If you construct your messages with meaning and civility,
>they will be readily accepted onto the mailing list, regardless of
>what you are arguing. This moderation is to maintain respectful
>conversation on the mailing list, not to censor your views.
>
>If, however, you continue to create new anonymous accounts (we're up
>to 3 now), I may be forced to make mailing list subscriptions by
>approval only, which would have the effect of hindering community
>participation in the mailing list. As I'm sure you appreciate how
>undesirable an outcome that would be, I'm sure you will respect my
>requests.
>
>~Mark Ryan
>WikiEN-l Mailing List Administrator
>
>
>
>
>On 7/2/05, A. Nony Mouse <tempforcomments3 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Whoops! Looks like somebody didn't like the truth told of them, they 
>booted
> > me off the list for speaking truth to power.
> >
> > You wanted abuse of power? There you have it JT.
> >
> > Seems to happen a lot around here and on Wikipedia. Speak truth to the
> > circle-jerk of power mad fools known as Admins, get booted.
> >
> > Ambi is the Red Queen of arbcom - running around like a complete fat 
>fool,
> > screaming "Orf Wiv is 'ead" whenever a case comes before her. She gets 
>some
> > sadistic pleasure from it I'm sure.
> >
> > The rest of ArbCom isn't any better. Never do they actually talk to 
>anyone
> > involved in a case. Never do they let little things like facts get in 
>the
> > way of their witch hunts.
> >
> > Ambi posts up a message that her say-so ought to be considered basis 
>enough
> > for banning Marmot, whose only crime was exposing the Adminship
> > self-protection racket for what it was, and you all just sit there
> > applauding.
> >
> > I think you proved Marmot's case FOR him.
> >
> > An arbitration request comes up and someone adds an extra name to it, 
>and
> > all of a sudden the original name on the arbitration request isn't even
> > MENTIONED in the final verdict and an innocent user who (and I checked 
>the
> > log to be sure) has not used a single naughty word is banned.
> >
> > Yoder gets caught in an infinite ban loop by an Admin who was involved 
>in
> > his case, and you idiots spend your time jerking off saying "well you
> > shouldn't have crossed an admin" and calling him names  rather than 
>paying
> > attention to what was going on. And you're STILL DOING IT.
> >
> > And then there's what you did a couple days ago to Kurita77. A new user
> > comes in, reads the tutorials, makes edits, and you ban him for the 
>crime of
> > knowing too much? I was watching that. Poor kid didn't do anything wrong 
>but
> > you spent your time harassing him, one of you sends him crank emails, 
>and
> > before you know it we have a user screaming profanities.
> >
> > Not his fault. YOUR fault.
> >
> > There's a reason I post these sentiments anonymously. It's because you
> > power-mad cretins would like nothing more than to get ahold of anyone 
>who
> > dares to speak the truth about you around here. You'd ban my Wikipedia
> > account just out of spite if you knew who I was. And I know you WAY too 
>well
> > for you to claim otherwise, JT.
> >
> > Come on. Prove me wrong. Show some sense. Show for even ONE SECOND that 
>you
> > actually respect the policies and procedures of Wikipedia.
> >
> > Biting the newbies, attacking anyone who's not part of your inner circle
> > jerk, and insulting new users once you've bitten them isn't doing you 
>any
> > favors.
> >
> > A. Nony Mouse.
> >
> > >>
> > >and your a sockpuppet but that's beyond the point, I would be 
>interested in
> > >seeing an iota of proof of any of these accusations, that would support
> > >your case, and the case of the longwinded Nathan J. Yoder much better 
>than
> > >these unceasing tireless rants.
> > >
> > >-Jtkiefer
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