[WikiEN-l] Evercat v. Libertas

Tue Jan 4 12:02:34 UTC 2005

Other than refering to her as "User/Troll Libertas" I see no problem here as
you seem to understand your errors and how you were led into them. I have
had the same problem as I wondered about whether this or that POV editor was
a sockpuppet of 172. (None of them seemed to be after investigation and I
just made a fool out of myself speculating on it).

Fred

> From: Allan Crossman <a.crossman at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 04:47:08 +0000
> To: wikien-l at wikipedia.org
> Subject: [WikiEN-l] Evercat v. Libertas
> 
> I'm gonna get in some pre-emptive retaliation since I expect this might
> be about to be discussed...
> 
> I've been accused by User/Troll Libertas of being all "creepy" since I
> revealed "her" location after 172 asked me to investigate whether "she"
> might be User:Reithy. Libertas claims I've repeatedly revealed "her"
> location. This is sort of true. I did indeed look up "her" location and
> reveal it.
> 
> (I use "her" throughout since "she" claims to be female, but I distrust
> trolls...)
> 
> I did not use any special powers to find Libertas' IP address. Of
> course, mere sysops have no such powers. Libertas revealed "her" IP
> address by editing logged out. 172 then gave me it, and asked me to
> investigate. I had never been involved with Libertas before.
> 
> As far as I recall (the Wiki is much too slow right now to check, so
> possibly I'm forgetting something), I mentioned the location on the
> following occasions:
> 
> I initially mentioned it on 172's talk page, noting that it differed
> from Reithy's. I restored it a few times when Libertas edited it
> (because I don't like my comments being edited) and mentioned it once
> more in a stupid debate (that Libertas started, by complaining about
> something I wrote on my userpage about reincarnation) over whether
> userpages can contain controversial claims.
> 
> I regret the last occurence (the gist of which was that if "she" really
> was from said location, it didn't make sense that "her" userpage was so
> pro-American, so it looked like it was that way just to stir things up);
> but I was discounting the possibility of an American living in said
> place. So that was stupid of me.
> 
> Anyway, this culminated in a big blowout on IRC. I don't have a log,
> alas, but it involved "her" repeatedly claiming that I was acting
> creepy, behaving like a thug, and threatening "her". "She" also seemed
> to claim that I knew "she" was female (I didn't) and that this made my
> discussion of "her" location more disturbing. Curiously, Libertas was
> happy to reveal "her" location to everyone on IRC during this discussion.
> 
> I did apologise on IRC for the last occurence.
> 
> But "she" kept on with "her" insults, and finally, becoming Really
> Bloody Furious (tm) I blocked "her". This was possibly another mistake.
> I'll step down as a sysop, if people feel I should, but "she" seems like
> an obvious troll to me.
> 
> But I'm tired, and upset, and angry, and going to bed now.
> 
> Evercat
> -- 
> Allan Crossman - a.crossman at blueyonder.co.uk
> The Moon is Waning Crescent (45% of Full)
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