Without explicitly entering into the question of de-sysopping, let me
once again voice my total support for what Mark is saying here.
What in the world is the meaning of NPOV if we're going to be banning
people based on their ideology, no matter how abhorrant? "We strive
for a neutral point of view, unless your point of view happens to be
X, in which case we are not at all neutral."
Absolutely not. Banning users only on the basis of their POV -- not
due to unacceptable behavior, but only due to their personal beliefs
or opinions -- this is exactly contrary to a bedrock principle of
Wikipedia.
Additionally, I would say that to ban any username containing"88" is
surrendering far too much to the Neo-Nazis. Why should the world in
general (or Wikipedia in specific) give up a perfectly good two digit
number simply because the Neo-Nazis adopt it as "theirs"? How much
power are we going to donate to the Neo-Nazi cause?
-Rich Holton
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:33:05 -0500, Delirium <delirium(a)hackish.org> wrote:
Zoney wrote:
There are views which are unacceptable in
civilised society.
And which, exactly, are those? Which civilised society? Is Wikipedia
going to be on the business of deciding which views are acceptable and
which aren't?
Neo-Nazis have a particular ideology, which happens to be extremely
unpopular. They are hardly the only ideology I personally find
abhorrent; it's just the easiest to criticize.
What about any of the following:
-- Those who support attacks on Israeli civilians (e.g. terrorism) as a
legitimate means of warfare. There are several tens of million people
int he world who hold this viewpoint; are they all to be banned on sight?
-- Those who support fascism as a political ideology, but do not support
Nazism in particular.
-- Those who support Maoism, Stalinism, or other "left-totalitarian"
ideologies.
If we're going to start banning certain ideologies on sight, someone
needs to come up with criteria for how we decide which are unacceptable.
-Mark
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