[WikiEN-l] Re: troubled.

Wed May 12 11:40:39 UTC 2004

Delirium a écrit:
> Anthere wrote:
> 
>> So, are you saying that we should mask female genitalia because the 
>> world is generally offended by watching it, while we should display 
>> male genitalia because the world is generally not offended by watching 
>> it ?
>>
>> Are you also gonna remove pictures of women who show their hair 
>> because in most of the world women hide their hair ?
>>
>> And how exactly do you measure the level of offensiveness of female 
>> genitalia in the world compare to level of offensiveness of these 
>> humiliation pictures in the prison article ?
>>
>> Mind you, I think most of the world think these are VERY offensive, so 
>> by your standards, they should be immediately put into a separate page.
> 
> 
> For what it's worth, I think they should both be put on a separate page, 
> prominently linked, but not displayed inline.
> 
> I don't like the idea of us telling people that they are wrong to be 
> more offended by one than by the other though.  Changing that, if you 
> believe it needs to be changed, is a debate for somewhere 
> else---Wikipedia shouldn't be a tool to promote particular ideologies 
> about media, apart from the very basic one that we support GFDL'd material.
> 
> I don't think most of the world has women hide their hair, though I 
> could be wrong.  A sizable minority does though.  I would not think we 
> should put pictures of women's hair in a particular language's Wikipedia 
> if a large majority of that language's speakers found it offensive (I 
> don't know if this is the case for any actual languages, so that's 
> hypothetical).  Our goal should be to produce a free encyclopedia, not 
> to force people to look at images they find offensive simply because we, 
> as the moral arbiters of the world in a somewhat western-imperialist 
> fashion, have deemed that people who are offended by them are wrong and 
> should adopt our (much better, of course) political and ethical beliefs 
> instead.
> 
> -Mark

Okay. So, I would prefer the prison pictures to be placed in a separate 
gallery, because I think they are offensive for most people. Can I do 
that ? Or am I gonna be immediately reverted ? What is people opinion 
about that ? I won't do it if people are widely against it.

What should we do with the clitoris picture ? As soon as we choose 
*voluntarily* to display male genitalia, while hiding female genitalia, 
we choose *delibaretly* to *convey* the fact *WE* consider one offensive 
and the other not. In short, we *force* people to think in a particular 
way. We are not neutral any more. Does that not bother you Mark ?

Honestly ?

Anthere