[WikiEN-l] On trolls, usenet and Wikipedia

Fri May 7 05:09:25 UTC 2004

Well, I don't know, I havn't been following the
details, my frustration is just over the level of time
and energy that is put into this.
I thought that there were moves afoot to ban people
simply for having 'troll' in their username, but
honestly couldn't care less one way or another, the
whole discussion (on the talk etc pages) just seems to
me to be troll food.
Sorry to go on about this, I'm just kind of fed up of
the whole thing, but then, I guess we all are.
Mark

--- Jimmy Wales <jwales at bomis.com> wrote:
> To my knowledge, admins are not banning people
> merely for having
> the name 'troll'.  J. R. R. Trollkien, despite being
> a pain in the
> neck, has been around for a few weeks now, right?
> 
> --Jimbo
> 
> Mark Richards wrote:
> 
> > Well, I'm not advocating for the rights to troll
> (I
> > don't think vandalism has anything to do with
> this,
> > since its already covered) - I'm just saying that
> the
> > current way of dealing with trolling isn't very
> > effective.
> > 
> > Ignoring things that are not vandalism or
> malicious
> > article edits might be better than providing
> fertile
> > ground for more trolling. The username issue is
> the
> > biggest one of concern to me, I think that we're
> > setting ourselves up for a whole new round of
> trolling
> > over 'if admins can ban users with 'troll' in
> their
> > name, what other names can I get away with'. By
> just
> > ignoring these usernames (unless they are attacks
> on
> > users, genuinely offensive etc) this game would
> not
> > start.
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > --- Rick <giantsrick13 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Unfortunately, there are far too many people on
> > > Wikipedia (most of whom do little actual editing
> of
> > > articles) who are more concerned about giving
> the
> > > trolls the right to troll and vandalize, and
> will
> > > attack and try to get banned those of us
> actually
> > > out to make an Encyclopedia instead of a
> > > trollopedia.
> > >  
> > > RickK
> > > 
> > > Mark Richards <marich712000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Hang on a second, I thought vandals were easy to
> > > deal
> > > with? Revert, ban if necessary, done. The
> problem is
> > > users who have not vandalised anything, but seek
> to
> > > engage in endlessly convoluted arguments with
> anyone
> > > who will play. Unfortunately, if you play, you
> have
> > > lost already.
> > > If the troll vandalises, ban him immediately. If
> > > not,
> > > don't feed him.
> > > Mark
> > > 
> > > --- Christopher Mahan wrote:
> > > > On Usenet or any of many online forums, trolls
> can
> > > > be ignored (not
> > > > fed) and they mostly disappear. On wikipedia,
> they
> > > > escalate their
> > > > vandalism, learning ever-sneakier ways of
> damaging
> > > > articles that
> > > > people have spend countless hours of their
> > > precious
> > > > time crafting.
> > > > 
> > > > Ignoring a troll on wikipedia is the worst
> thing
> > > you
> > > > could possibly
> > > > do, since it will bite you in the proverbial
> bum.
> > > > 
> > > > =====
> > > > Christopher Mahan
> > > > chris_mahan at yahoo.com
> > > > 818.943.1850 cell
> > > > http://www.christophermahan.com/
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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