Ray,
You suggest that we add "as determined by a duly
constituted tribunal." to the wikipedia definition of
murder.
in the case at hand, July 23 slaying (NPOV?) of Hassan
Al-Zanin (sp?) either the group of individuals siting
the weapon on his family's property/land where at
"duly constituted tribunal" or were not.
Are we suggesting that this status arose during the
disagreement with the family or are we saying that the
group of individuals siting the weapon had the status
of "duly constituted tribunal" before they arrived?
Seems hard to make either claim for this group of
individuals, dont you think?
Sincerely,
Lance6Wins
ps. Where is Zero0000 in all this? Clearly he has an
opinion on the matter, else this thread would not
exist!
--- Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net> wrote:
Harry Smith wrote:
with regard to calling an act murder. The common
definition of murder and the definition that
appears
in wikipedia is:
Murder is the crime of intentionally causing the
death
of another human being, without lawful excuse.
If we accept this definition, then we need to ask
if
the individuals that shot the boy had lawful
excuse.
>From the articles, the reason for the shooting
is
that
the boy and his family opposed the attempt to use
the
family's property/land. Does the family's
refusal
constitute lawful excuse for the shooting?
If its does not constitute lawful excuse, the act
is
murder per the first line of the wikipedia entry
on
murder.
My question is do we use the term murder for this
shooting or do we change the wikipedia article on
murder?
Perhaps we need to change the definition to add
something like, "as
determined by a duly constituted tribunal." The
facts outlined above
could very well result in a determination that there
was a murder, but
neither we nor our contributors are in a position to
make the needed
interrogations that will lead to the truth. It's
not for us to decide.
seems to be a question of wikipedia using its own
definitions for words at wikipedia.
is this type of internal consistency valuable?
Certainly, and I thank you for pointing out this
inconsistency so that
the definition can be repaired.
if it is not should we make that known?
is using the term murder according to the wikipedia
definition POV?
Sincerely,
Lance6Wins
ps. perhaps the shooter meant to wound rather than
kill. please repeat the above substituting
manslaugter for murder.
The only difference between murder and attempted
murder is the ability
to shoot straight. :-)
Ec
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