[WikiEN-l] On continued personal attacks,threats, etc.

Mon Jan 19 15:54:43 UTC 2004

Nat,

> I do disagree with RK calling anyone he dislikes a Nazi,
> but that's a separate issue.  

I have tried to stay silent for a week, but the threats and
personal attacks just keep on coming.

Do you really believe this craziness about me? I did no
such thing. I have made many hundreds of edits on over a
hundreds of different Wikipedia articles. Just like
everyone else here, I often have had disagreements with
other people. So what? We don't go around attacking each
other as Nazis. That is simply a fabrication.

Your problem is that you are taking a specific set of
related incidents that happened here, and then incorrectly
assume that I write the same thing about every person I
disagree with. That's absolutely false, as well as
insulting.

Do you have any idea of what the specific issue actually
was? An anonymous Wiki-En contributor wrote a detailed
analysis proving that Stevertigo was posting anti-Semitic
material, and posting Holocaust denial. Every one of these
edits was made in accord with either Nazi or Christian
Identity ideology. Stevertigo was then supported by Martin
Harper ("MyRedDice") who supported and encouraged all of
these Jew-baiting edits. A number of other anonymous people
dropped by to help Martin and Stevertigo as well. Many of
the edit lines had Jew-baiting comments. (Which,
fortunately, a few fellow Wikipedians recognized and
commented on. I was not alone by a long shot in this phase
of the process.)

Did you actually read this analysis?

However, when this issue was brought to the attention of
the Wiki-En list, I was slandered, called a liar, and worst
of all, many Wiki-En supporters wrote in support of
Stevertigo and Martin Harper. Incredibly, no one was
publicly willing to speak out against anti-Semitic
propaganda and Holocaust denial. (A few people wrote me in
private to support me, but they stated that they were
afraid to post publicly here. I can now see why; they were
right all along about this place.)

Look, when people write in support of Nazi propaganda (and
there is no debate about the edits in question), then in
those select cases we are forced to admit that they are, by
definition, anti-Semitic. The same would be true of people
who wrote in support of racist anti-black propaganda.

The Wiki-En list is currently ruled by an elite clique of
political left-wingers who won't allow any un-PC writings
about Arabs, gays, blacks, Asians, women or socialists. Yet
this same clique is so anti-Zionist that they will support
outright anti-Semitism and Christian identity or Nazi
propaganda, just as a way to make the "enemy" look bad.

In recent weeks BL and Mr-Natural-Health have been trying
to scare my off of Wikipedia by implying that they might
be, or actually are, Nazis. This isn't a joke. This is
violent hatespeech.

No one on Wikipedia would allow a group of contributors to
drive away a black person by others posing as members of
the Ku Klux Klan. Such a person would be banned
immediately.  Yet the only case when such hateful and
violent actions are allowed here are when people say they
are Nazis, and when they are targeting Jews.

When Wiki-En members are supportive of such actions, that
(by definition) is anti-Semitism. If this doesn't bother
someone, then this tells us how they really feel about
Jews: That Jews are only allowed to contribute here if they
follow a pro-Arab left-wing line. Otherwise, let the
self-proclaimed Nazis drive them off.

On the other hand, if you do not support such harassment,
then you are morally obligated to speak out, and to ask for
these people to be banned. We should not allow sucvh
violent hatespeech to drive people away. Editing
encyclopedia articles should depend on facts, sources and
historical considerations alone.

Robert (RK)

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