On Jan 12, 2004, at 10:24 AM, Robert wrote:
This is getting really ugly.
Agreed. Definitely agreed
A dozen people have nmade
personal attacks on me, all of them falsely saying that I
am making personal attacks.
Here's where it gets ugly, my friend.
Then an obviously anti-Israeli crowd is trying to
define
reality by voting, and is deleting vast amounts of proven
facts in order to promote pro-Arab POV.
Facts are not defined by votes. Only hatred is.
If the consensus is that Wikipedia should promote
anti-Zionism, anti-Semitism, and hateful crowds ganging up
on one user, then that is precisely the reputation that it
will get offline.
You must see that you're perpetuating the ugliness as much as your
"attackers" (poor word choice of mine, but you know what I mean). Of
course, the converse is true: your "attackers" are perpetuating the
ugliness as much as you. It's just not necessary.
People have said things. People have interpreted and misinterpreted
things. It's done, it's happened, and it's now in the past.
Meanwhile, the *rest* of us are working on an encyclopedia. If this is
a personal battle, I personally think you (very much plural) should
simply drop it. If you wish to continue I would appreciate if it were
taken off-list. These accusations and counter-accusations have no
place here.
That said, there *is* a substantive issue hidden in this mess. The
NPOV of certain articles is being questioned. Let's address that.
What has happened to the articles in the past does not matter anymore.
Remember, the page history may exist, but it's the latest revision that
counts. Let's discuss what *is* there and what *should be* there.
Without accusing each other of anti-Anythingism.
We are a community. We are based tightly around the encyclopedia, but
we are a community. Anyone who is here to make offensive remarks or
accusations is in the wrong place. #REDIRECT [[Usenet]].
That said, we must have to trust that others' remarks are not intended
as accusations or otherwise meant to offend. If we don't give each
other the benefit of the doubt, we'll all end up, well, basically like
we are now: wrapped up in an unproductive argument over who said what
(or didn't say what). In the worst case scenario, you take an insult
as constructive criticism. Who cares? If someone tries to hurt you
and you don't notice, the other person's comment will just fall flat on
it's face. All the better.
Let's revive the substantive issues in an objective, fair, and, most
importantly, calm manner. Please drop the rest, or, if you must, take
it off-list. Thank you.
Concerned Wikipedian otherwise uninvolved in the matter,
Peter