[WikiEN-l] Let's get rid of VfD

Rick wrote: When I see obvious vandalism, I revert. If a newbie creates an experimental page "fgh" etc. I just delete. No need to go through VfD for that sort of thing. Everything else should be cleaned up, not deleted. When I was a newbie, I had some of my stuff listed on VfD because I didn't understand the way things are done around here - It's not nice to have you work criticized in this manner. It is off-putting, fortunately I'm thick skinned but others are not so. I've seen lots of things put on VfD because they are deemed "trivial". This is insulting to the people who put their time and effort into writing the "not important" article. Obviously the article was important to at least one person. I've seen a large number of How-to type articles listed on VfD because they are "not encyclopaedic". Although I agree that this type of article is not what you find in a paper encyclopaedia it is often useful knowledge that potential users of Wikipedia may very well want to know, recently some people have been moving the how-to pages over to Wikibooks, which is a much more suitable place for this type of article IMO but if the deletionists got their way , much of the material may have been lost in the meantime. Most worryingly of all. I've seen some syops delete pages based on as majority rather than a consensus. The page is broke and can't be fixed :-( Let's have [[newbie tests]] so that non sysops can bring "hello! Paul is gay!" type pages to a sysop attention. And [[Pages that need to be moved to other wikis]] for wikionary quotes etc And [[Vanity pages]] for suspected vanity pages And have everything else go to [[cleanup]] If it doesn't work out after a while, we can always bring back VfD Theresa Proposal copied to talk:VfD please answer there. Theresa