[WikiEN-l] Re: Blocking policy

Tue Aug 3 20:25:22 UTC 2004

It is not our job, just an effect of deciding cases in a reasonable way.
There is no way we can decide a case that does not "change" policy in that
it points to what can be expected when a matter comes up again. Phrasing the
decision in terms of all administrators when we only have 3 before us is
simply to make explicit what would otherwise be implicit. This way because
all the hullabaloo which I invited by bringing the matter to the mailing
list many have participated in discussing the matter who otherwise would not
have and we have all thought about the scope of arbitration decisions.

Fred

From: Rick <giantsrick13 at yahoo.com>
Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:53:56 -0700 (PDT)
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Blocking policy

I object solely on the grounds that it is not the arbcom's responsibility to
create policy.  And that is what they're doing.  Even if I got everything I
wanted, I would still object.  But let me also say that I disagree with this
option, because it's given Guanaco the ability to suddenly go wild and
retroactively unblock EVERY SINGLE PERSON from the past whose reason for
blocking doesn't match these unapproved criteria.

RickK

"Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales" <jwales at wikia.com> wrote:

> Fred Bauder wrote:
> The language now reads, "When a Wikipedia administrator discovers an
> instance where a block was made without appropriate reference to the
> Wikipedia:Blocking policy, they may reverse the block but should post a note
> on the offending Wikipedia administrators talk page explaining why the block
> was reversed."

Rick wrote:
> Still unacceptable. The Arbcom is still making policy which has not been
agreed to by the wikipedia as a whole.
> 
> RickK

What do you see as being a policy change in this?

Administrators have always been able to reverse a block which was made
without appropriate reference to the Blocking policy, because admins
have always been able to reverse blocks for any reason at all.

If anything, Rick, I should think you would strongly support this
language, because it *hints* (but doesn't say) that if a proper reason
*is* given, then admins *may not* reverse a block. That is a policy
that I suspect you would support, but it would be policy-making by the
committee if they literally said it.

--Jimbo

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