[WikiEN-l] Unacceptable behaviour

Tue Jul 22 17:56:18 UTC 2003

Robert, if you can't be nice, take your marbles to the other side of
the playground. 

By the way: It is completely acceptable for people to hold their own
opinions and express them. It's called freedom of speech.

--- Robert <rkscience100 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Jules writes:
> > I looked at the last comments that RK said he removed
> > from his talk page.  Although the one from E of T was 
> > a bit inflammatory, it seemed to be a response to one 
> > of Roberts own "attacks" -- I infer a typically
> > one-sided and less than tactful comment he made about
> > someone else's work.  If my inference or
> > characterization are incorrect, I apologise.
> 
> Jules, I really wish you had made an effort to ascertain
> the truth; as it turns out, your idea is totally off base.
> In point of fact, I was writing comments about creationism,
> evolution, speciation, genetics and cooperating with others
> on classifying our Gaia theory articles. These are science
> issues.
> 
> I ask you: What kind of people see such mundane science
> discussions as appropriate for denunciations of my
> perceived views on the Israeki-Palestinian issue?
> 
> What kind of obsessed person thinks the appropriate
> response to a discussion on genetics is something like "But
> you Zionists should stop oppressing Palestinians".
> 
> Am I mistaken here? Is evolution now "anti-Arab"?  Is Gaia
> theory now pro-Zionist?   Come off it.  Let's talk about
> speciation and transitional fossils, as I was doing on
> Wikipedia.  Wait!  Doesn't this call for remarks about the
> Palestinians?
> 
> No. 
> 
> At least, not to someone who doesn't have a grudge against
> a Wikipedia contributor, because he is Jewish.
> 
> No matter what topic I write about, certain people simply
> ignore the topic, and drag the Zionists (i.e. the Jews)
> into this.  They are not trying to produce encyclopedia
> quality work; they are out to score points, hurt people,
> and make themselves feel "liberal".
> 
> 
> > The comment made by Pizza Puzzle may have been
> *personally* offensive to
> > Robert, but it is simply a statement of PP's own opinion
> on the
> > situation.  I may not be popular, but he is entitled to
> it.  
> 
> No, he is not entitled to keep harassing me on my own
> personal User page about his political views, especially
> when I am trying to work with others on some science
> articles.
> 
> 
> > Presumably user talk pages are meant to be places where
> we communicate with 
> > each other in public -- so I don't see why there is a
> problem. 
> 
> So if you are white, then white-haters can taunt you
> repeatedly on your User page, and you won't have a problem
> with it?  
> 
> Zoe is gone due to similar harassment. A few of my other
> Jewish friends visited (teachers, PhD.s, etc.)...and left
> quickly, sensing a bit too much self-righteous left-wing
> animosity towards Jews. (And those same Jews were
> themselves rather left wing.)  They think I am nuts for
> staying here.
> 
> 
> > If RK doesn't like a comment, he can erase it -- as he
> did -- but 
> > it's a pain in the arse to have to look it up in the
> history. 
> 
> No, I can't! You totally missed the point. When I tried to
> erase the comment, I was slandered as an Arabophobe.
> 
> That, by the way, is untrue.  I happen to have lived for
> two years with a Muslim Arab from Morocco, and had Muslim
> Palestinian friends in graduate school, and I also happen
> to support Israeli political parties that are to the left
> of the current government.  I also have particiapted on
> numerous occasions with interfaith Muslim-Jewish prayer
> groups, and my synagogue is considered somewhat progressive
> for precisely this sort of thing.
> 
> I am, however, opposed to what the U.S. State Department
> condemns as Palestinian terrorism...and this last fact
> alone has caused me to be repeatedly slandered as a bigot,
> as a racist, etc. And no one on Wikipedia objects to these
> false characterizations of me.  But what this has to do
> with speciation, creationism and evolution, I'll never
> know!
> 
> It seems pretty clear to me that many people on Wikipedia
> do not care if one is pro-tolerance and pro-Arab or not.
> Facts don't matter one whit to one whose conclusions are
> based only in prejudice.  All that many Wikipedians care
> about is constant proving how evil the Zionist (read:
> "Jewish") position is, even if they haven't the slightest
> fucking idea what I actually do or believe.
> 
> 
> > But my disagreement is less that RK is phobic of Arabs,
> but instead 
> > is overly sensitive, perhaps even paranoid, about
> anything that isn't 
> > vehemently pro-Israeli/pro-Zionist. 
> 
> Sorry, Jules, but I disagree. GENETICS AND SPECIATION ARE
> NOT PRO-ZIONIST.  Sorry for shouting, please look at the
> topics I was working on, and compare them to the comments. 
> Do you see any relation?  Of course not; there isn't one. 
> People are lashing out at me simply because I am a Jew.
> That is not paranoia.  It is, however, unacceptable.
> 
> I thus ask you to reconsider your comments.
> 
> Robert (RK)
> 
> 
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